[NL2-NL10] KK Should I slow down on turn?

    • ramadas
      ramadas
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.09.2011 Posts: 462
      I put him on J or Q but not QJ, would you and would you slow down? I had to protect against A

      Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 2026155
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $1.94 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 0.8, Hands: 40
      SB: $1.55 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 39
      BB: $6.15 - VPIP: 96, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 25
      UTG: $0.78 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 23
      UTG+1: $5.81 - VPIP: 4, PFR: 2, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 46
      MP: $2.17 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 10, AF: 0.0, Hands: 41
      Hero (CO): $1.93 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.3, Hands: 3400

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K :heart: K :spade:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.11, BB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.06

      Flop: ($0.48) 3 :club: J :diamond: 6 :heart: (4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.46, BTN calls $0.46, SB folds, BB folds

      Turn: ($1.40) Q :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.34, BTN raises to $1.36, Hero calls $0.01 all in

      River: ($4.10) 8 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: $4.10
      BTN shows J :heart: Q :club:
      Hero shows K :heart: K :spade:
      BTN wins $3.96
      (Rake: $0.14)
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Ramadas,

      Preflop: Why are we just calling the small 3-bet? We should 4-bet here for value.

      Flop: We are donking into the opponents but the bet is fine for value/protection.

      Turn: After calling your flop donk what do you think villain has? Qx is very rare unless it's QJ because it doesn't call the flop.

      Jx is possible with QJ/KJ/AJ. Do you think he can call all in pot bet with KJ/AJ on this turn?

      My preferred line: 4-bet flop, if called bet flop/turn.
    • ramadas
      ramadas
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.09.2011 Posts: 462
      Preflop: Why are we just calling the small 3-bet? We should 4-bet here for value.

      Yes, my bad.

      Turn: After calling your flop donk what do you think villain has? Qx is very rare unless it's QJ because it doesn't call the flop.


      I thought he can have Jx possibly AJ, so I bet again for protection on the turn.

      Jx is possible with QJ/KJ/AJ. Do you think he can call all in pot bet with KJ/AJ on this turn?


      Well my plan was to get rid of him and not bet for value. My problem is overprotecting hands.... always afraid of suckouts.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi,

      As played you can't fold.

      Preflop: Super EZ 4bet. 0 reason to slowplay here. If you slowplayed in a headsup pot it wouldn't be half as bad as this. You get yourself in a 4way situation where anyone can easily suck out on you. I squeeze to 35 or 40 cents here.

      Only reason for slowplaying preflop is if you think they are very bluffy with their 3bets, and they fold to 4bets really often, while being super aggro postflop if you show passivity. I think you are just slowplaying here for no good reason.

      "I had to protect against A"

      I don't think you should be too concerned about another A. That only happens <10% of the time on the River. That's 4 out of 46 cards left in the deck (or 3, assuming he has an Ace in his hole cards). Then again I would still shove anyway, not for protection against an Ace, but purely for value against AQ KQ.