[NL2-NL10] SH NL4 - A7s and T9s vs interesting opponent

    • painterman007
      painterman007
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.05.2009 Posts: 82
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      NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
      SB ($1.58)
      Hero ($3.98)
      CO ($2.79)
      BTN ($4.99)

      Dealt to Hero 7:spade: A:spade:

      CO raises to $0.08, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.04

      FLOP ($0.26) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart:

      Hero bets $0.24, CO calls $0.24

      TURN ($0.74) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart: K:club:

      Hero bets $0.68, CO raises to $1.36, Hero raises to $2.04, CO calls $0.68

      RIVER ($4.82) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart: K:club: Q:diamond:

      Hero bets $1.58 (AI), CO calls $0.39 (AI)

      VIllain had just lost a big pot to an opponent sitting with 72o and a straight, and I figured he would be tilting mad.
      Only have 16 hands on him but vpip/pfr = 63/31

      Hand 1:
      Preflop: My raise was too small, perhaps a small messup with my clicks. I think maybe it would have made him fold if it was 3x his raise, though, and I wanted his tilted money.
      Flop: C-bet big for value and protection vs flushdraw, putting him on something like J9+,77+, but he could really have anything because I think that 72o straight made him see red.
      Turn: Keep betting big as nothing's changed for me. His raise tells me he might have some mid-high pair, and perhaps a heart, so I figure I'm good to push more chips in. Though I made the mistake of betting to small to put him all in, we get it all in on the river.
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      BTN ($2.12)

      Dealt to Hero T:spade: 9:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, fold

      FLOP ($0.30) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond:

      Hero bets $0.24, BTN calls $0.24

      TURN ($0.78) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond: 8:club:

      Hero bets $0.68, BTN calls $0.68

      RIVER ($2.14) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond: 8:club: J:diamond:

      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.08 (AI), Hero calls $1.08

      Hand 2
      Same villain, a few minutes later, still sending tilt-vibes.

      Preflop:
      Getting cute with 3bb raise with an OK speculative hand
      Putting villain on any mid-high card combination J9+, K8+ etc.
      Flop:
      Big bet to extract value and protect from draws.
      His call tells me he may be chasing his lost money through a draw or overcards. (Normally wouldnt, but as i said. Tilt)
      Turn:
      Nothing really changes, except for his possible straight. Still feels like he is chasing draws.
      River:
      I check thinking I wont mind a cheap showdown because of the easy straight, + it might make him bluff, leading to profits from busted draws, and I call him thinking he has more hands in his range that i beat than the other way around.
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      I'd just love to hear your thoughts on my play and on my thoughts! :)

      Thanks!
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hand 1:

      PF - Definitely not a good play to min reraise. Make it 22-24 cents. It doesn't need to be that big cos he is only 70bb and he made a huge 4bb open.
      F - Our hand is not strong on this Flop. Bet maybe 60% of the pot. We don't bet big to protect weak hands. We try to keep the pot smaller.
      T - I would check here for sure, maybe c/c once and give up. Betting so large again, then calling the huge raise seems to be just spew. Once again, the emphasis is on pot control, not protecting your weak hand. I don't see any need to protect cos if another heart comes out we just c/f.

      About your Min-raising tendencies
      Also i don't get your play on the turn. you should just shove if u wanted to stack off but you made a min reraise and then jam the River. I think you are making too many fancy plays with minraises which are usually bad in most circumstances, especially on this board texture.

      If you think he's tilting mad, just c/c T and c/c blank R.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hand 2:

      I think you should def post a spoiler (hidden) for hand 1 so that we can have a better understanding of hand 2. I suppose you lost to a flush and that doesn't tell us anything?

      PF: 3bb is really standard, I don't think it's a "cute" size. Maybe 4bb should be the standard at lower limits due to everyone being so loose and passive. but at most limits everyone raise to 3bb.

      Flop and Turn play is really standard.

      R: It's definitely right to check. So c/c or c/f ? We are mainly beating busted flush draws on the river and losing mostly to straights. Call here if he has busted flush draws >25% of the time (that's about the pot odds offered to us on the river).

      We would need more stats on his flop and turn fold to cbet to have a good idea about his river range. I think that this decision is close but I don't mind c/c purely because of odds. He does have a straight really often though. I think QJ QT QhXh 76 78 are a good part of his range. But if he plays VPIP 61 I think he can have a lot of suited combos like Kh2h or 5h7h 3h6h type of hands. So I am leaning more towards a call.
    • painterman007
      painterman007
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.05.2009 Posts: 82
      Thanks alot!

      Originally posted by mbml
      Hand 2:

      I think you should def post a spoiler (hidden) for hand 1 so that we can have a better understanding of hand 2. I suppose you lost to a flush and that doesn't tell us anything?
      Here is hand 1 with the results. Does it change how the second hand should be played?


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
      SB ($1.58)
      Hero ($3.98)
      CO ($2.79)
      BTN ($4.99)

      Dealt to Hero 7:spade: A:spade:

      CO raises to $0.08, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.04

      FLOP ($0.26) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart:

      Hero bets $0.24, CO calls $0.24

      TURN ($0.74) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart: K:club:

      Hero bets $0.68, CO raises to $1.36, Hero raises to $2.04, CO calls $0.68

      RIVER ($4.82) 5:heart: A:heart: 9:heart: K:club: Q:diamond:

      Hero bets $1.58 (AI), CO calls $0.39 (AI)

      Hero shows 7:spade: A:spade:
      (Pre 67%, Flop 62.1%, Turn 70.5%)

      CO shows K:heart: 2:club:
      (Pre 33%, Flop 37.9%, Turn 29.5%)

      Hero wins $5.04

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      Figured I would also include hand 2 in case you had some comments.

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      BB ($1.70)
      UTG ($3.90)
      Hero ($6.15)
      BTN ($2.12)

      Dealt to Hero T:spade: 9:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, fold

      FLOP ($0.30) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond:

      Hero bets $0.24, BTN calls $0.24

      TURN ($0.78) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond: 8:club:

      Hero bets $0.68, BTN calls $0.68

      RIVER ($2.14) 3:heart: 9:heart: T:diamond: 8:club: J:diamond:

      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.08 (AI), Hero calls $1.08

      Hero shows T:spade: 9:spade:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 80.8%, Turn 88.6%)

      BTN shows A:spade: 3:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 19.2%, Turn 11.4%)

      Hero wins $3.87


      Thanks again :)