[NL20-NL50] [SH] nl 50 blockbet KK on A river

    • DeMarcohsp
      DeMarcohsp
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 1,975
      On Game, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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      Hero (MP): $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $51.07 (102.1 bb)
      BTN: $42.30 (84.6 bb)
      SB: $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $59.95 (119.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with J K
      Hero raises to $1.75, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

      Flop: ($5.75) Q 5 K (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $8, SB folds, Hero calls $4

      Turn: ($21.75) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero raises to $40, BTN calls $12.55 and is all-in

      River: ($86.85) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

  • 5 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,696
      hi.

      your title doesn't make sense. you mixed your hands up I think.

      Anyway about this KhJh hand, I probably fold to a bigger raise. With such a small raise and a backdoor flush draw, I think calling could be alright esp if we can expect some semi bluffs.

      As played given his bet size I feel that we should just jam and hope for the best. It would be bad if he somehow had some spade draw and we call Turn, he bluffs River for 10$ more and we fold the best hand. We have tons of equity anyway
    • DeMarcohsp
      DeMarcohsp
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 1,975
      Hi,

      On Game, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $64.50 (129 bb)
      Hero (CO): $69.47 (138.9 bb)
      BTN: $50 (100 bb)
      SB: $24.50 (49 bb)
      BB: $70.37 (140.7 bb)
      UTG: $58.16 (116.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

      Flop: ($3.75) J 2 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

      Turn: ($8.75) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6

      River: ($20.75) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $40 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Results:
      $34.75 pot ($1.73 rake)
      Final Board: J 2 8 3 A
      Hero mucked K K and lost (-$17 net)
      BTN mucked and won $33.02 ($16.02 net)



      again sorry for the mistake, I must have been super tired that day :) .
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,696
      Ok. I think this guy is a loose player.

      Preflop Range of villain: AJ KJ QJo? QJs JTs J9s 88 22

      Turn: I think he can have Td9d QdTd 8d9d 8d7d type of hands. The turn isn't that wet so I still think he could continue slowplaying sets here but I think most people raise the Turn.

      Can we valuebet the River?
      My intuition tells me yes, so let's see...

      Stronger
      AJ (9 combos)
      Ad8d (1 combo)
      sets (4 combos) - Discounted since I think he raises Turn a lot
      14 combos

      Weaker
      KJ (6 combos)
      QJs (3 combos)
      JTs (3 combos)
      J9s (3 combos)
      15 combos

      This spot actually seems really thin. I think QQ would be a better value bet since KK blocks KJ which are worse hands which could potentially hero call (assuming he plays KJo but not QJo).

      Weaker
      KJ (12 combos)
      QJs (2 combos)
      JTs (3 combos)
      J9s (3 combos)
      20 combos

      In conclusion I think this is more of a c/c on the River. Betting seems too thin when you block KJ which is the main hand we want to get hero calls from.

      If this were SB vs BB, I think you can find an argument for betting River for sure because he will just have all combos of QJ JT J9.

      As played on the River, question is whether to bet/fold or bet/call. I wouldn't even bet in the first place cos it's really close. But at least part of the value of a block bet is to induce from worse. In this spot I think you rep something that beats QJ JT J9 a lot. So you can expect to see more perceptive players turning these weak JX hands into a bluff by shoving here. Against such players, you have to call it off.

      Against passive guys this is a really easy bet/fold. I think this guy could potentially be the aggro type who turns hands into bluffs. Also it's great if he somehow had some 8dXd or Td9d type of hand which just wants to pounce on your weakness.
    • double2
      double2
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      I dont understand why c/c river is good. What worse hands would he bet?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,696
      We beat T9s, some backdoor flush draw floats like QdTd. He may occasionally value bet thinly with KJ as well. KK feels like a hand that is too strong to c/f.

      Remember as the bluff catcher, we just need to win about 30% of the time if he bets a normal sized bet.