[NL2-NL10] Rush NL10 KAo in BB

    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP3: $11.40 (114 bb)
      CO: $6.75 (67.5 bb)
      BTN: $9.09 (90.9 bb)-VPIP 14%-PFR 8%-PFAF 1.1-FT3Bet 29%(7)-FTFlCB 33%(12)-Hands 257
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (BB): $20.70 (207 bb)
      UTG+1: $10.65 (106.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $17.38 (173.8 bb)
      MP1: $10.10 (101 bb)
      MP2: $4.05 (40.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
      5 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.40, CO folds, BTN calls $1.00

      Flop: ($2.95) 3 7 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.45, BTN calls $1.45

      Turn: ($5.85) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $5.85, Hero folds

      Results:
      $5.85 pot ($0.39 rake)
      Final Board: 3 7 6 8
      BTN mucked and won $5.46 ($2.61 net)
      Hero mucked K A and lost (-$2.85 net)


      BTN is TAGy over 250 hands, I have been told I CBet too much, not sure about my CBet?
  • 9 replies
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      If you are posting his stats (I assume you orient on them), his ft3b is extremely low, and ftcb is also very low. However, you did both: 3-betted him and c-betted :D

      Though, you may not have large enough sample size on him.

      I'd like to hear why is your c-bet big as well, imo just fine. Moreover, if you think about it, the only thing that you can possibly represent is an overpair. And an overpair would bet at least 2/3 pot for protection here. So...to bet even less may be just a waste of money.
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      No I would always bet this size with any hand in a 3Bet pot.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Hi.

      Dry flop, we have 2 over cards which are going to be clean outs most of the time. This is a very ez cbet. We can barrel bluff some turns like J or Q. This 8 is a coordinating card though so i give up.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      mbml, what is a coordinating card? :) (Google doesn't know)

      If it has something to do with straights, we don't really expect him to have T9, do we? :)
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Well the 8 improves not only T9 but 98 and T8 too, 86 and 78 also has two pair now. So it's a really bad card.

      Coordinating card is something that makes the board even more connected (basically straight cards)
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Oh, damn it. It's a blind stealing! I just realized it. Yep, of course in this case it can be a dangerous board, and a very bad turn. Hm, but you said the flop is dry, was it a typo?

      Personally I wouldn't judge whether it's a dry or wet flop without his steal stat.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      It's not a dangerous board. It's really dry, 367r. I don't think people play 5X and 4X too often. So there aren't too many straight draws. Just increase each card by 4. We get 7TJ. This would then be a really coordinated board since people play mid and high cards way more often than low cards. I would c/f on JT7 even when we have the gutshot to the Queen and I much prefer to bluff 367r.

      "Personally I wouldn't judge whether it's a dry or wet flop without his steal stat."

      I think you are misunderstanding something. Board texture is more or less irrelevant to his range. It's determined by 3 factors

      1) High vs Low Cards - People play high cards more often than low cards
      2) Coordination of Board - Affects presence of straight draws
      3) Colour of Cards - Affects presence of flush draws

      a) All 3 cards are low. They are unlikely to connect with villain's range
      b) board is a little coordinated, with 3 cards to a straight (45 has a flopped straight). However, point A is much more important than point B in this instance.
      c) Flop is rainbow so there's no flop flush draw.

      Therefore the board should be regarded as a dry flop.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Haha, I'm so slow (at best) :) It took me ages to realize that it's a blind stealing....but then, only after you told this, I finally realized that we expect cards like KQs, not 89s.

      Sorry for that. Thanks for explanation.
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      Sorry I should of said aswell when I say I always CBet this ammount in 3Bet I meant Vs 1 player only 100BBs deep