# [NL20-NL50] 78s river shove or not ? nl 25 sh

• Bronze
Joined: 17.08.2010
PokerStars - \$0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: \$13.77
SB: \$25.35
BB: \$29.01
UTG: \$10.58
Hero (CO): \$39.52

SB posts SB \$0.10, BB posts BB \$0.25

Pre Flop: (\$0.35) Hero has 7 8

fold, Hero raises to \$0.75, fold, fold, BB calls \$0.50

Flop: (\$1.60, 2 players) 6 9 J
BB checks, Hero bets \$1.25, BB calls \$1.25

Turn: (\$4.10, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets \$3.25, BB calls \$3.25

River: (\$10.60, 2 players) J
BB bets \$7.25, Hero calls \$7.25
Villain is 21/18 bad reg with low agr f 0.7, wtsd 33% w&sd 36%
I wanted to shove but than i cange my mind cause off his low ag f i started to be scared off him having full house cause his river donk is for sure velue bet but is from Jx or full( on more agro player i would shove cause i expect they will raise with set on this hdb earlyier on flo por turn, but i am not sure about this guy ) So what do you think what move is more ev + call or shove ?
• 6 replies
• Basic
Joined: 12.05.2010
Hi Dzikson,

Preflop: looks fine

Flop: Looks fine with our combo draw (and 8 high)

Turn: We hit our draw which is great so we need to continue betting (for value).

River: This is a simple math question, however I will not give you the answer right away

I'll give you the equation and I'd like you to solve it.

1) What does he bet?
2) Split the hands he bet in hands that can bet/call
3) Split the hands above further into hands that bet/call and we beat and bet/call and we lose to
4) Count the combos for each side
5) See which side has more combos
6) Decide if you can value-raise

Let me know if you have any questions
• Bronze
Joined: 17.08.2010
I like my little home work that you given me so lets get stared
1.He can bet JJ,66,55-(some times),J9s+,J10o +
2.he bet calls(JJ,66,J9s,Ajo,Ajs,KJs probably KJo)
3.we beat 6 +6 combos off AJo and KJo + suited 2 combos off each0 16 combos total
4.we lost to-3 combos off 66 + 2 combos off J9s + 1 combo JJ and 55 from time to time =total 6 combos
5 . we beta 16>6 so clear value raise right !
• Bronze
Joined: 04.04.2011
he could have

66-99-JJ-J9-55 that we loose
JT-JQ-JK-AJ that we win

not sure about what a combo mean tho
6h6d and 6h6c and 6c6d are three combo? if that so

66=3combo
99=3combo
JJ=1combo
J9=6combo
55=3combo
total=16 combo

JT=8combo
JQ=8combo
JK=8combo
AJ=8combo
total=32 combo

hmmm have no clue but i tried
i dont know what combo means
• Bronze
Joined: 04.04.2011
about the hand his play looks wired to me!

if he had a set he maybe did not raise the flop but he should raise the turn like 99% of the time! its not easy to put hero on a 78 or 8T.

he is very passive so i put him on AJ or Jx i cant believe he did not raise on flop or turn with a set!

whats the result ?
• Basic
Joined: 12.05.2010
Originally posted by dzikson999
I like my little home work that you given me so lets get stared
1.He can bet JJ,66,55-(some times),J9s+,J10o +
2.he bet calls(JJ,66,J9s,Ajo,Ajs,KJs probably KJo)
3.we beat 6 +6 combos off AJo and KJo + suited 2 combos off each0 16 combos total
4.we lost to-3 combos off 66 + 2 combos off J9s + 1 combo JJ and 55 from time to time =total 6 combos
5 . we beta 16>6 so clear value raise right !
Looks good. He may even bet/call JT/QJ if he get's married to his hand.

Considering how few hands beat us here (compared to how many worse can bet/call) I'd shove here. The only time I'd just call is when we expect villain to bet/fold Jx.
• Bronze
Joined: 17.08.2010
I won he showed KJs