[NL2-NL10] Nl2 Jj

    • Knyght
      Knyght
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      Joined: 03.11.2010 Posts: 87
      Not entirely sure what I was thinking cbetting with 3 opponents on such a low board, I dunno. All the callers were very loose fish, I guess I wanted to get as many out of the hand so I have better odds against anyone who remains. Still looks stupid looking at it now.

      Normally I would bet/fold turn here but I guess I we were both pretty committed by this point :/

      I think paying more attention would have helped here.


      Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

      MP3: $3.10 (155 bb)
      MP1: $0.95 (47.5 bb)
      Hero (UTG+2): $2.75 (137.5 bb)
      MP2: $1.25 (62.5 bb)
      SB: $2 (100 bb)
      BB: $1.13 (56.5 bb)
      CO: $1.55 (77.5 bb)
      BTN: $2.91 (145.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J J
      Hero raises to $0.08, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08, 3 folds, BB calls $0.06

      Flop: ($0.33) 3 7 5 (4 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.21, 2 folds, BB calls $0.21

      Turn: ($0.75) A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB raises to $0.84 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.36

      River: ($2.43) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $2.43 pot ($0.12 rake)
      Final Board: 3 7 5 A K
      Hero showed J J and lost (-$1.13 net)
      BB showed 4 A and won $2.31 ($1.18 net)
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Knyght,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Flop: Why can't we cbet here for value? With 3 guys in the pot we can expect to get value from some draws like 68, A4, A2 and from pairs such as 7x, 5x, 66, 88, 99, TT.

      Plus we'd like to not give 6 cards a free turn card.

      Turn: As played if we bet we can't really fold. We have two options. Either bet something small like 0.15-0.20 to induce a light call/shove or just check back (the A could be a scare card for some of his pair hands although given his stack I don't think he'll fold much).
    • Knyght
      Knyght
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      Joined: 03.11.2010 Posts: 87
      Hmm I dunno. I guess I was taught to not cbet boards that look like we haven't hit. Are there some situations (like good overpairs I guess?) where it's good to cbet anyway?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Knyght
      Hmm I dunno. I guess I was taught to not cbet boards that look like we haven't hit. Are there some situations (like good overpairs I guess?) where it's good to cbet anyway?
      I think what you are referring to is betting as a bluff (but even then we can bet on boards like this with many hands that don't hit, HU not multiway).

      Here we would cbet the board because we can get value (as mentioned in my other post). If I may ask, where did you learn about not cbetting boards like this with anything?
    • Knyght
      Knyght
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      Joined: 03.11.2010 Posts: 87
      Well, it's more my personal and messy logic. If I wouldn't bet this board if I miss, why would I bet it if I hit? Isn't it giving away that I have a decent hand if I cbet a board I'd normally check if I missed?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Knyght
      Well, it's more my personal and messy logic. If I wouldn't bet this board if I miss, why would I bet it if I hit? Isn't it giving away that I have a decent hand if I cbet a board I'd normally check if I missed?
      You are assuming one important thing: that people can actually adjust to your play and actually know that you don't bluff here. Why would a fish know/do these things?

      Furthermore we should be bluffing/semibluffing these boards. Maybe not with 100% of our range but we can bet a wide range.