[NL2-NL10] Nl10

    • racenutalways
      racenutalways
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 174
      How do you beat these lucky donks before we go broke? I can not hit a draw at all at this limit for whatever reason. NL5, I am extremely successful, when I have 15 outs, I actually hit and win. NL10, no way, no how. They are much better then I am at this level, Full Tilt is soooooo full of fish at this level but they keep sucking me out. Here are some examples, played wrong???
      It is so bad that my VIP$ is 13%. Low, I know, but the cards I get are either hi pairs or just junk J4, Q6.....

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      MP1: $14.25
      MP2: $1.20
      CO: $4.50
      BTN: $3
      SB: $11.15
      BB: $1.80
      Hero (UTG): $4
      UTG+1: $13
      UTG+2: $6.20

      Pre-Flop: A:spade: A:heart: dealt to Hero (UTG)
      Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.35) 3:club: J:spade: 9:heart: (3 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, MP1 calls $0.35, BB folds

      Turn: ($1.05) 7:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $1.05, MP1 calls $1.05

      River: ($3.15) K:spade: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $2.50 and is All-In, MP1 calls $2.50

      Results: $8.15 Pot ($0.80 Rake)
      MP1 showed 7:club: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Sevens) and WON $7.35 (+$3.35 NET)
      Hero showed A:spade: A:heart: (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$4 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG+1: $6.10
      MP1: $14.35
      MP2: $1.95
      CO: $6.85
      Hero (BTN): $4
      SB: $2.05
      BB: $10.85
      UTG: $6

      Pre-Flop: A:club: A:spade: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      UTG calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.35

      Flop: ($1.05) T:heart: Q:spade: 4:diamond: (2 Players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $1.05, UTG calls $1.05

      Turn: ($3.15) 7:spade: (2 Players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $2.50 and is All-In, UTG calls $2.50

      River: ($8.15) J:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $8.15 Pot ($0.80 Rake)
      Hero showed A:club: A:spade: (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$4 NET)
      UTG showed Q:diamond: J:diamond: (two pair, Queens and Jacks) and WON $7.35 (+$3.35 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      MP2: $11.45
      CO: $3.10
      BTN: $11.25
      SB: $1.90
      BB: $10.70
      UTG: $0.50
      UTG+1: $5.45
      Hero (UTG+2): $4.80
      MP1: $1.25

      Pre-Flop: A:diamond: A:heart: dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
      UTG raises to $0.20, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.85) 7:club: J:diamond: Q:diamond: (4 Players)
      BB checks, UTG bets $0.30 and is All-In, Hero calls $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30

      Turn: ($2.05) 9:diamond: (4 Players - 1 is All-In)
      BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks

      River: ($2.05) 3:club: (4 Players - 1 is All-In)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $0.75 and is All-In, BB folds

      Results: $3.55 Pot ($0.35 Rake)
      UTG showed Q:heart: Q:spade: (three of a kind, Queens) and WON $1.85 (+$1.35 NET)
      Hero showed A:diamond: A:heart: (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$1.25 NET)
      MP1 showed 3:heart: 3:diamond: (three of a kind, Threes) and WON $1.35 (+$0.10 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $11.45
      UTG+1: $3.10
      UTG+2: $11.25
      MP1: $2
      MP2: $9.80
      CO: $1.35
      BTN: $6.40
      Hero (SB): $4
      BB: $1.35

      Pre-Flop: K:club: K:heart: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG raises to $0.35, UTG+1 raises to $3.10 and is All-In, 4 folds, BTN raises to $6.40 and is All-In, Hero calls $3.95 and is All-In, 2 folds

      Flop: ($11.55) 3:spade: 9:diamond: 8:heart: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Turn: ($11.55) 9:heart: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($11.55) 4:diamond: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $11.55 Pot ($1.15 Rake)
      UTG+1 showed A:heart: A:spade: (two pair, Aces and Nines) and WON $8.80 (+$5.70 NET)
      BTN showed A:diamond: Q:heart: (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$4 NET)
      Hero showed K:club: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Nines) and WON $1.60 (-$2.40 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $19.65
      BTN: $6.55
      SB: $1.85
      Hero (BB): $5.90
      UTG: $6.90
      UTG+1: $12.05
      MP: $7.30

      Pre-Flop: K:diamond: K:club: K:diamond: K:club: dealt to Hero (BB)
      UTG raises to $0.20, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.45) 2:club: 7:diamond: 4:spade: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.85) Q:spade: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40

      River: ($1.65) J:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $0.70, UTG raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.70

      Results: $4.45 Pot ($0.40 Rake)
      Hero mucked K:diamond: K:club: K:diamond: K:club: (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$2.20 NET)
      UTG showed J:club: J:heart: (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $4.05 (+$1.85 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $5.30
      BTN: $10
      Hero (SB): $12.20
      BB: $4.75
      UTG: $6.20
      UTG+1: $9.40
      UTG+2: $3.75
      MP1: $4.80
      MP2: $4

      Pre-Flop: Q:heart: Q:diamond: Q:heart: Q:diamond: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.60) 7:spade: 4:club: 8:club: (6 Players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.10, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, MP1 folds, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds

      Turn: ($1.30) K:spade: (3 Players)
      Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $0.30, CO folds, Hero calls $0.30

      River: ($1.90) 9:spade: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

      Results: $2.70 Pot ($0.25 Rake)
      Hero mucked Q:heart: Q:diamond: Q:heart: Q:diamond: (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$1 NET)
      UTG+2 showed 8:diamond: 9:club: (two pair, Nines and Eights) and WON $2.45 (+$1.45 NET)

      Played this one badly:

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      MP: $3.80
      CO: $5.50
      Hero (BTN): $4
      SB: $10.85
      BB: $10
      UTG: $3.75
      UTG+1: $15.90

      Pre-Flop: Q:diamond: Q:spade: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.65, SB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.55, 2 folds, CO calls $0.55

      Flop: ($2.20) 4:spade: 5:spade: 2:spade: (3 Players)
      UTG+1 bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.35 and is All-In, CO calls $2.65

      Turn: ($9.60) 8:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($9.60) J:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $9.60 Pot ($0.95 Rake)
      CO showed T:spade: A:spade: (a flush, Ace high) and WON $8.65 (+$4.65 NET)
      Hero showed Q:diamond: Q:spade: (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$4 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BTN: $3.45
      SB: $3.55
      BB: $2.20
      UTG: $1.30
      UTG+1: $1.95
      MP1: $2.50
      MP2: $14.80
      Hero (CO): $4

      Pre-Flop: K:diamond: A:diamond: dealt to Hero (CO)
      3 folds, UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.30) A:club: 3:heart: A:heart: (3 Players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG folds, MP2 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $3.90 and is All-In, MP2 calls $2.70

      Turn: ($8.10) 8:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($8.10) 8:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $8.10 Pot ($0.80 Rake)
      MP2 showed A:spade: 3:spade: (a full house, Aces full of Eights) and WON $3.65 (-$0.35 NET)
      Hero showed K:diamond: A:diamond: (a full house, Aces full of Eights) and WON $3.65 (-$0.35 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG+1: $11.35
      UTG+2: $10.20
      MP1: $2.45
      MP2: $8.55
      CO: $15
      BTN: $7.85
      Hero (SB): $4.10
      BB: $3.75
      UTG: $5.90

      Pre-Flop: 9:spade: 9:diamond: 9:spade: 9:diamond: dealt to Hero (SB)
      5 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.60) 8:spade: 6:club: 3:club: (3 Players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $0.60, CO folds, Hero calls $0.60

      Turn: ($1.80) 5:heart: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

      River: ($5.40) A:club: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.15 and is All-In, Hero calls $1.15

      Results: $7.70 Pot ($0.75 Rake)
      Hero mucked 9:spade: 9:diamond: 9:spade: 9:diamond: (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$3.75 NET)
      BB showed A:spade: 8:club: (two pair, Aces and Eights) and WON $6.95 (+$3.20 NET)
  • 5 replies
    • gggeorgio
      gggeorgio
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.09.2007 Posts: 494
      You've gotta play you're big pairs wwwaaayyy stronger preflop. You limped AA 1st hand, you flat-called a min-raise with AA 3rd hand, you flat-called a min-raise with KK 5th hand, you limped QQ in the 6th hand, you checked AK in the BB in the 8th hand.

      All of these are major mistakes costing you large profit. If you had raised preflop most of the garbage that ended up beating you wouldn't even be in the hand. I suggest reading or rereading the basic strategy articles.

      Also, the only hand that you said you played badly, you played better than the rest. It was right for you to raise QQ strong preflop and on the flop you're quite often ahead in this spot.

      Hope this helps, because basically none of those are bad beats due to bad preflop play.
    • racenutalways
      racenutalways
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 174
      Hi gggeorgio and thanks for the reply, not complaining about bad beats here, just trying to survive my downswing here as my BR would have been depleted if it wasn't for the deposit bonus.

      As far as raising pre-flop, don't you worry, I don't always raise the same as I do not like being predictable. Whether I limp, min-raise or 6 bet, or all in, I seem to lose the big pots and win small pots at this level. Decided to try your strategies with you capital and it is not going good at all.

      After 6882 hands, my total amount won is - 39.65
      total rake 46.10
      50$ starting capital, my BR is now at 48.35
      that's with 45$ bonus released.
      The aggressive approach is definitely maximizing my loses as my downswing is at it's peak.

      Known Final Hand Summary as per PT:
      final hand amount won
      1 pair 42.95
      2 pairs 16.10
      3K 31.55 hit a set 5% of the time
      Str8 3.90
      Flush 17.95
      FH 34.70
      4K 2.75

      Been playing NL Hold Em for quite some time and have read many many books and zillions of articles. My bad luck continues in the NL10, no matter how it is played.

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $2
      BTN: $1.60
      SB: $2.95
      BB: $7.70
      Hero (UTG): $9.50
      UTG+1: $7.80
      UTG+2: $5.10
      MP1: $5.05
      MP2: $10.45

      Pre-Flop: A:heart: A:diamond: dealt to Hero (UTG)
      Hero raises to $0.60, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.60, 6 folds

      Flop: ($1.35) 4:heart: 6:spade: T:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $1.35, UTG+2 calls $1.35

      Turn: ($4.05) 6:club: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $4.05, UTG+2 calls $3.15 and is All-In

      River: ($10.35) Q:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $10.35 Pot ($1 Rake)
      Hero showed A:heart: A:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Sixes) and LOST (-$5.10 NET)
      UTG+2 showed Q:club: Q:spade: (a full house, Queens full of Sixes) and WON $9.35 (+$4.25 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $10.15
      UTG+1: $2.15
      UTG+2: $5.55
      MP1: $3.85
      Hero (MP2): $10
      CO: $2.45
      BTN: $9.30
      SB: $5
      BB: $11.25

      Pre-Flop: K:diamond: K:spade: dealt to Hero (MP2)
      UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.55, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.20, MP1 calls $1.20

      Flop: ($4.80) 3:heart: J:diamond: 9:club: (3 Players)
      UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4.80, UTG calls $4.80, MP1 folds

      Turn: ($14.40) 2:spade: (2 Players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $3.65 and is All-In, UTG calls $3.65

      River: ($21.70) J:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $21.70 Pot ($2 Rake)
      UTG showed J:heart: A:diamond: (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $19.70 (+$9.70 NET)
      Hero showed K:diamond: K:spade: (two pair, Kings and Jacks) and LOST (-$10 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $2
      BTN: $15.70
      SB: $2
      BB: $7
      UTG: $3.95
      UTG+1: $1.90
      Hero (MP1): $10
      MP2: $1.85

      CO posts $0.05
      Pre-Flop: K:club: K:spade: dealt to Hero (MP1)
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, MP2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $1.35 and is All-In

      Flop: ($4.10) 8:spade: 4:diamond: Q:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Turn: ($4.10) 3:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($4.10) T:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $4.10 Pot ($0.40 Rake)
      CO showed A:club: A:diamond: (a pair of Aces) and WON $3.65 (+$1.65 NET)
      Hero showed K:club: K:spade: (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$2 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      SB: $2.90
      BB: $10
      UTG: $4.80
      UTG+1: $2.10
      UTG+2: $11
      MP1: $14.45
      Hero (MP2): $4
      CO: $5.55
      BTN: $5.30

      Pre-Flop: K:heart: K:club: dealt to Hero (MP2)
      UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.45, MP1 folds

      Flop: ($1.35) J:club: A:heart: J:spade: (2 Players)
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG+1 raises to $1.55 and is All-In, Hero calls $0.75

      Turn: ($4.45) 5:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($4.45) T:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $4.45 Pot ($0.40 Rake)
      UTG+1 showed J:diamond: 7:diamond: (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $4.05 (+$1.95 NET)
      Hero showed K:heart: K:club: (two pair, Kings and Jacks) and LOST (-$2.10 NET)

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $11.45
      UTG+1: $3.10
      UTG+2: $11.25
      MP1: $2
      MP2: $9.80
      CO: $1.35
      BTN: $6.40
      Hero (SB): $4
      BB: $1.35

      Pre-Flop: K:club: K:heart: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG raises to $0.35, UTG+1 raises to $3.10 and is All-In, 4 folds, BTN raises to $6.40 and is All-In, Hero calls $3.95 and is All-In, 2 folds

      Flop: ($11.55) 3:spade: 9:diamond: 8:heart: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Turn: ($11.55) 9:heart: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($11.55) 4:diamond: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $11.55 Pot ($1.15 Rake)
      UTG+1 showed A:heart: A:spade: (two pair, Aces and Nines) and WON $8.80 (+$5.70 NET)
      BTN showed A:diamond: Q:heart: (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$4 NET)
      Hero showed K:club: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Nines) and WON $1.60 (-$2.40 NET)
    • gggeorgio
      gggeorgio
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.09.2007 Posts: 494
      ya, not much you could do in most of those hands, just bad beats.... hopefully you survive and make a little profit :)

      The only other thing I can say it that I've been playing some NL10 and at this limit I think you lose value when you mix up your play preflop (ie limping or minraising big pocket pairs) because the players just aren't good enough for this deception to be profitable. It seems to me that its just better to play pretty straightforward poker valuebetting etc. and watch the fish pay you off anyways. I think I've lost more money than I've made when I'm trying 'fancy' bluffs that should work just right on an awake player but actually get called down with like bottom pair or some other trash :P .
    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      You're making major mistakes and i think it's rude to post so many hands in one post and let someone else sort it out for you. It's clear that you need to learn a lot more and you need to start by reading the strategy articles. I suggest when you read and understood then, and want to make deviations form it, it's a good time to post a hand (one per topic please), and motivate why you played it that way.

      You need to understand that if you want to win money, you need to get it in the pot when you're in front. Checking and calling won't contribute to your goal that much.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Too many hands to comment.
      But the most important suggestion would be buy-in 100BB.
      Play your strong hands aggressively and hope that players would pay you off with weaker hands.