# Flop Raise %

• Bronze
Joined: 28.01.2012
Just wondering how to use this statistic effectively if possible

What range of "Raise %" for the flop would indicate raising with the following hands

a) 2pair or better

b) Top pair or better

c) Any pair

Of course I realize there is a problem with my question, as I believe that like AFq stat this stat is also dependent on the opponents preflop ranges, as reraising x amount of flops with a 50% range is going to be a completely different criteria than reraising that same x amount of flops with a 10% preflop range.

These problems aside, hopefully someone can shed some insights on the effective use of this stat.
• Bronze
Joined: 26.11.2012
Hi there,

My guess is that you want a highly specific stat. As always, we have a problem with the sample size: the more specific is the stat -- the more hundreds/thousands of hands you need on the villain.

In your case, it gets ridiculously difficult, because you cannot know the outcome unless there was a showdown! How many hands do you have on a villain, where he raised the flop with a bluff, a pair, two pairs or better, and the hand finished with a showdown? Very few is the answer.

Personally, I don't even bother separating aggression frequency per different streets, as I don't have that many hands on most villains, where they played on river. You, though, want something completely impossible

So in essence: it's better to have a general idea on the opponent's tendencies, than have a very specific but completely useless "raise c-bet IP with 2P". Not only it will be completely useless, but often even misleading.

On the final note: even if you had 100k hands on someone, you understand that his "raise c-bet IP with 2P" will depend on: opponent type, number of opponents, stacks, board, preflop line. Not to mention his mood and the fact that people don't usually play the same game for 100k hands

If your question could be answered by any statistical programme, poker would be flooded with grind-bots, and eventually die. Fortunately, it's not the case

Regards,

German

PS: sorry if I got your question wrong, I'm dog-tired and almost sleeping