[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR - 55 on UTG3

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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      MP2: $55.32 (110.6 bb)
      MP3: $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $70.01 (140 bb)
      BTN: $49.25 (98.5 bb)
      SB: $53.42 (106.8 bb)
      BB: $41 (82 bb)
      UTG+1: $50.65 (101.3 bb)
      Hero (UTG+2): $60.54 (121.1 bb)
      MP1: $50.91 (101.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 5 5
      UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 5 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

      Flop: ($4) 2 8 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.26, SB calls $2.26

      Turn: ($8.52) T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($8.52) 5 (2 players)
      SB bets $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

      Results:
      $18.02 pot ($0.99 rake)
      Final Board: 2 8 4 T 5
      SB showed J J and lost (-$8.76 net)
      Hero showed 5 5 and won $17.03 ($8.27 net)

      Stats: VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 4,0, Hands: 9901

      Should I raise on a situation like this on the river?
      Or do I attract just better sets and straights?
  • 3 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      55 from UTG3 seems like a really marginal open unless you are facing sort of a soft table and/or you have a target mostly in the blinds.

      As played, I think you can cbet slightly bigger on the flop more to prepare bluffs on good runouts. When he calls and you river the set I think you have a value raise.. He can still call some overpairs and middle pair becuase it's hard to believe you have improved on that card. You almost never improve in reality unless you have 55 or A3s from your UTG range, both being marginal.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      55 from UTG3 seems like a really marginal open unless you are facing sort of a soft table and/or you have a target mostly in the blinds.

      As played, I think you can cbet slightly bigger on the flop more to prepare bluffs on good runouts. When he calls and you river the set I think you have a value raise.. He can still call some overpairs and middle pair becuase it's hard to believe you have improved on that card. You almost never improve in reality unless you have 55 or A3s from your UTG range, both being marginal.
      I started to raise first-in any PP from any position because I realized that the only hands I was limping with from UTG were small PPs, therefore being very easily readable.
      Should I go back to limping small PPs or should I just keep raising but only better PPs like 77+ and straight-up fold the rest?

      Could you define bluff on good runouts?

      Just to note, 67s improves too, but yeah marginal too, so I guess value raise! w00t!
      What would be a good size? I'd say 14.25? I'm not good with raises on rivers, still don't know the theory of sizes without any other card that has to come down.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Yeah, you can just fold preflop instead of limping. I think 66+ or 77+ is OK for FR in EP.

      With regards to sizing your thinking should be: how much is he going to call with most hands that I beat? You don't want to only get called by better so shoving is probably not good. That said, a minraise is probably too small because a decent hand like 99 calls above the minraise or folds to the minraise anyway.

      I would make it about 11 and fold to a 3bet. That sizing still gives good odds to most hands and like I said, it's hard to believe you have made a hand when you open UTG, bet flop, check turn and then raise river. You can improve to set of fives like you did or 67, A3 if you even have those in your UTG range which is unlikely. I'm not saying your opponent thinks exactly like this and breaks down your range but just instictively he'll look at it as a: WTF got there?! situation and call his made hand.