# [NL2-NL10] QJo call preflop

• Bronze
Joined: 26.11.2012
Poker Stars, \$0.01/\$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BB): \$2.33 (116.5 bb)
UTG: \$4.99 (249.5 bb)
MP: \$4.86 (243 bb)
CO: \$0.29 (14.5 bb)
BTN: \$2 (100 bb)
SB: \$3.95 (197.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
UTG raises to \$0.06, MP calls \$0.06, 2 folds, SB calls \$0.05, Hero calls \$0.04

Flop: (\$0.24) 9 A 4 (4 players)
SB bets \$0.02, 2 folds

Do we ever call with offsuit broadway preflop? I have 5:1 pot odds in this hand. Is it good enough to call and look at the flop?

On the other hand, if we hit a pair, it won't be a very strong pair most of the time. What we are really looking for is 2P, trips or straight/draw, which all will be quite rare.

How do you generally play offsuit broadway when you cannot isolate, muck it?

Thanks.
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• Basic
Joined: 12.05.2010
Hi german,

Preflop: I don't mind calling 2bb here. When we get a straight its usually with high cards on the board which means that we could have more implied odds.

How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
• Bronze
Joined: 26.11.2012
Originally posted by BogdanPS
How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
I don't know I've seen a table somewhere, but I assume you want me to calculate it, right?

Is 6/50*5/49+5/48 gonna work?

It's like 6/50 is the probability of getting a pair on the first flop card, and then we multiply by 5/49 to get the second pair or trips. But then we have one more card. So I just added another 5/48 (not multiplied, so it's OR not AND).

If it is, it will be 11%.

OESD... then it will be 8/50*8/49+8/48 = 19%.

The sum will be 30% and this should be enough to justify a 5:1 (17%) call preflop.
• Basic
Joined: 12.05.2010
Originally posted by Th334
Originally posted by BogdanPS
How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
I don't know I've seen a table somewhere, but I assume you want me to calculate it, right?

Is 6/50*5/49+5/48 gonna work?

It's like 6/50 is the probability of getting a pair on the first flop card, and then we multiply by 5/49 to get the second pair or trips. But then we have one more card. So I just added another 5/48 (not multiplied, so it's OR not AND).

If it is, it will be 11%.

OESD... then it will be 8/50*8/49+8/48 = 19%.

The sum will be 30% and this should be enough to justify a 5:1 (17%) call preflop.
Your math is a bit off.

The numbers are closer to 4-5% 2p+ and 9-10% for OESD. There's a tool called Flopzilla that allows you to get these numbers easily.
• Bronze
Joined: 26.11.2012
Thanks for the reference to Flopzilla.

Great stuff. I'll definitely buy it, maybe later though, I have more than enough things to learn apart from Flopzilla at the moment

Also I doubt that NL2 fish requires such an advanced approach to win their money