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[NL2-NL10] QJo call preflop

    • Th334
      Th334
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BB): $2.33 (116.5 bb)
      UTG: $4.99 (249.5 bb)
      MP: $4.86 (243 bb)
      CO: $0.29 (14.5 bb)
      BTN: $2 (100 bb)
      SB: $3.95 (197.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
      UTG raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.24) 9 A 4 (4 players)
      SB bets $0.02, 2 folds

      Do we ever call with offsuit broadway preflop? I have 5:1 pot odds in this hand. Is it good enough to call and look at the flop?

      On the other hand, if we hit a pair, it won't be a very strong pair most of the time. What we are really looking for is 2P, trips or straight/draw, which all will be quite rare.

      How do you generally play offsuit broadway when you cannot isolate, muck it?

      Thanks.
  • 4 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi german,

      Preflop: I don't mind calling 2bb here. When we get a straight its usually with high cards on the board which means that we could have more implied odds.

      How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
    • Th334
      Th334
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
      I don't know :( I've seen a table somewhere, but I assume you want me to calculate it, right?

      Is 6/50*5/49+5/48 gonna work?

      It's like 6/50 is the probability of getting a pair on the first flop card, and then we multiply by 5/49 to get the second pair or trips. But then we have one more card. So I just added another 5/48 (not multiplied, so it's OR not AND).

      If it is, it will be 11%.

      OESD... then it will be 8/50*8/49+8/48 = 19%.

      The sum will be 30% and this should be enough to justify a 5:1 (17%) call preflop.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Th334
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      How often do we hit 2p+? How about oesd?
      I don't know :( I've seen a table somewhere, but I assume you want me to calculate it, right?

      Is 6/50*5/49+5/48 gonna work?

      It's like 6/50 is the probability of getting a pair on the first flop card, and then we multiply by 5/49 to get the second pair or trips. But then we have one more card. So I just added another 5/48 (not multiplied, so it's OR not AND).

      If it is, it will be 11%.

      OESD... then it will be 8/50*8/49+8/48 = 19%.

      The sum will be 30% and this should be enough to justify a 5:1 (17%) call preflop.
      Your math is a bit off.

      The numbers are closer to 4-5% 2p+ and 9-10% for OESD. There's a tool called Flopzilla that allows you to get these numbers easily.
    • Th334
      Th334
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Thanks for the reference to Flopzilla.

      Great stuff. I'll definitely buy it, maybe later though, I have more than enough things to learn apart from Flopzilla at the moment :f_zZz:

      Also I doubt that NL2 fish requires such an advanced approach to win their money :)