[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR - AA on MP2

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $50 (100 bb)
      SB: $81.32 (162.6 bb)
      BB: $11.25 (22.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $79.73 (159.5 bb)
      MP1: $57.20 (114.4 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $50 (100 bb)
      MP3: $86.90 (173.8 bb)
      CO: $48.49 (97 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A A
      UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 5 folds, MP1 calls $3

      Flop: ($9.75) J 3 5 (2 players)
      MP1 bets $3, Hero calls $3

      Turn: ($15.75) 2 (2 players)
      MP1 bets $4, Hero raises to $21.16, MP1 raises to $49.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.34 and is all-in

      River: ($100.75) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $100.75 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: J 3 5 2 7
      MP1 showed 3 3 and won $97.75 ($47.75 net)
      Hero mucked A A and lost (-$50 net)

      Stats: VPIP: 57, PFR: 20, 3B: 19, AF: 3,0, Hands: 76
      WTSD: 30

      Particular attention to stats.
      So he's been pretty much a spewer until that moment.
      Usually spewers of that kind tend to slowplay monsters and go aggro with everything else.
      This made me overplay my Aces probably, since he wasn't XC everything.
      I obviously wasn't too happy when I saw the re-raise on the turn, but due to odds and last butt saver also known as gutshot I decided to cry call.
      Against this kind of players I'm still a bit confused on what to do when I have big overpairs like AA, KK, QQ on boards like this one.
      Should I raise outright on the flop to avoid giving free cards given the big range of their cards?
      Or should I just generally call their often meaningless bets?
      Gief some insight please :3.
  • 4 replies
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Hi,

      Versus somebody who presumably (?) does not fold to 3bets I would make it slightly bigger pre, like 5 instead of 4.5. You might think it doesn't matter, but it does, since pots are built exponentially (since preflop pot is bigger you cbet a little bit bigger. Because of that you bet turn bigger, etc).

      As played I don't mind calling flop. It's true we don't want to give him a chance to suck out, but we also want to keep the bluffs in. I think he has enough bluffs to warrant a call.

      Turn is 100% standard, nothing you can do.

      ifs
    • mlatasrb
      mlatasrb
      Platinum
      Joined: 01.04.2012 Posts: 2,722
      Does it make sense to raise turn e.g. 12$ and fold? if villian goes all in, he is surely better almost always, so I dont see the point of call.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mlatasrb
      Does it make sense to raise turn e.g. 12$ and fold? if villian goes all in, he is surely better almost always, so I dont see the point of call.
      Right, I ask the same question.
      Could you (coach) give us some insight on the turn raise?
      Like, why exactly you do that and what you should expect.
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Hey,

      He is 57/20. A fish. He's going to call OOP with AJ, KJ, QJs, JT, flushdraws, PPs, you name it, he has it. Raising turn and the folding to a shove versus this kind of opponent is going to be very bad because of that. We raise because we expect him to continue with all those top pairs/draws/whatnot, so we certainly don't wanna fold when he sticks it in. Just unlucky we ran into the top of his range.

      ifs