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[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR - 88 on SB

    • AtrociousNightmare
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP2: $58.10 (116.2 bb)
      MP3: $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $60.41 (120.8 bb)
      BTN: $156.60 (313.2 bb)
      Hero (SB): $74.94 (149.9 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      MP1: $60.99 (122 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 8
      5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($3) 6 Q 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.13, BB calls $2.13

      Turn: ($7.26) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $3.50, Hero folds

      $7.26 pot ($0.39 rake)
      Final Board: 6 Q 7 9
      Hero mucked 8 8 and lost (-$3.63 net)
      BB mucked and won $6.87 ($3.24 net)

      Stats: VPIP: 14, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 2,3, Hands: 6971

      This player has the tendency to bluff-raise a lot on paired FLOPs and also to bet on missed turn cbets.
      However, he plays the same way when he has monsters or monster draws.
      This was one of those situations in which I really don't know what to do, and I end up going passive, because I have a middle pair, a draw that could be strong but maybe if I close he closes higher etc etc
      I'm finding myself in these problems because they call SO MUCH SO MANY flops.
      I can never figure out if they called because they have something or because they are just waiting me to check to bluff me out (italian rooms...).
      And if they have something, is it a made hand or a draw? They freaking always call with everything and don't do anything different.
  • 4 replies
    • duder1n0
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,335
      You got quite a sample on him, but didnt give some important stats like:
      - call BB vs steal
      - fold to flop cbet, fold to turn cbet
      - wtsd, w$sd

      On this turn I'd go for a second barrel with the extra equity, he could try to float us with a wide range (Qx/FDs/gutshots/PPs/6x/7x/even Ax with backdoors like A:dX), so with a bet we could make him to give up his equity if he folds a draw+overcard type of hand.
    • EmanuelC16
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Fold vs cbet is very important here. Against someone that calls a wide but good equity range I would just check/fold 88 here/treat it as a pure bluff. Either he folds enough to cbets or I check/fold because if he calls with better, flips and a bit worse and he likes to bet reasonably often on later streets, 88 with no redraw becomes too weak to bet and bluffcatch later or even from the flop.

      Because he calls you can't exploit him with a mediocre hand or a bluff. You have to exploit him by getting max value when you have the nuts or very good equity.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Fold vs CBet is 54 IP, 66 OOP.
      Becomes a 30 IP and 13 OOP for the turn.
      Bet vs Missed CBet (TURN) 50%.
      Call BB vs Steal 8 (wow I thought it much higher)

      WTSD 26, W$SD 59

      Would you think that's enough to CBet?
      If he calls my CBet on flop, am I forced to 2nd barrel due to the high Bet vs missed cbet and seemingly high fold vs cbet?
    • EmanuelC16
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      It's really close in this case. You need to be confident in your turn and river ability to bluff/bluffcatch/vbet thinly/fold. If you have doubts, I don't mind the seemingly weak flop check/fold.