[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR - KTo on CO

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $39.96 (79.9 bb)
      SB: $30.01 (60 bb)
      BB: $51.12 (102.2 bb)
      MP1: $60.55 (121.1 bb)
      MP2: $66.58 (133.2 bb)
      MP3: $129.85 (259.7 bb)
      Hero (CO): $52.84 (105.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with T K
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

      Flop: ($4) A Q 5 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.83, SB calls $2.83

      Turn: ($9.66) A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($9.66) 9 (2 players)
      SB bets $3.50, Hero folds

      Results:
      $9.66 pot ($0.53 rake)
      Final Board: A Q 5 A 9
      SB mucked and won $9.13 ($4.55 net)
      Hero mucked T K and lost (-$4.58 net)

      Stats: VPIP: 27, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 402

      Another "LAG" preflop and passive postflop.
      I CBet because of gutshot and backdoor and because they fold a lot on aces.
      Is that a good CBet?
      Should I 2nd barrel to represent the ace?

      Gosh I feel confused in the last days.
  • 6 replies
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      I'd also cbet this flop, he could fold worse hands like low PPs/5x on this board, plus we have a gutshot, even K/T could be outs.

      Turn is a bad card to barrel, he never folds Ax, on this turn maybe not even Qx.

      River is close, if he was passive so far, we can fold, but there are some busted draws like X:sX/KJ/JT/43s/32s. But this small size could even be thin value with Qx, so I think folding is fine.

      Edit: KJ beats us, so we dont want to "bluffcatch" vs that... :)
    • EmanuelC16
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      I think your line is fine.

      You say they fold a lot on ace high flops which I agree with. Here's an exercise though:

      - What do they fold there?
      - What do they call?
      - What do they raise?

      Think of both ranges and now decide what the better turn action is.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      I think your line is fine.

      You say they fold a lot on ace high flops which I agree with. Here's an exercise though:

      - What do they fold there?
      - What do they call?
      - What do they raise?

      Think of both ranges and now decide what the better turn action is.
      Do you mean on flop those questions?
      Because against these very contrasting players I never know.

      What do they fold?
      Worthless hands. Many of them in their range. Maybe low 5?

      What do they call?
      Anything with the slightest equity really. Qx, Ax, any draw. Sets even maybe since when they have big 3Bet ranges they usually flat/slowplay QQ/KK/AA or KK/AA.

      What do they raise?
      With that AF? On the flop? I don't have the slightest idea. I usually don't see raises until river, and rarely turn. Not too few times I found them raising with senseless hands, it's like they play randomly based on reads only they know about and create in their own heads.


      If you meant on the turn however,

      What do they fold?
      Qx? Not sure if they fold gutshots. Not even sure if they fold Qx now that I think about it as they often think "2nd ace down! he doesn't have it!"

      What do they call?
      Aces? FDs. Sometimes gutshots. FHs.

      What do they raise?
      Aces? I don't know.


      See this is why I have troubles with ranges.
      They are so random.
      I find playing vs TAGs to be much easier.
    • EmanuelC16
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      I meant for flop cbetting, sorry I was unclear. In this case, turn is awful ofc, he doesn't fold almost a thing anyway.

      With regards to flop:

      - they fold air/weak
      - they call medium-towards good medium strength.
      - they raise very strong hands such as combo draw, pair + draw, 2pair+.

      What hands in his range fit into each of this category after he called preflop?
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      I meant for flop cbetting, sorry I was unclear. In this case, turn is awful ofc, he doesn't fold almost a thing anyway.

      With regards to flop:

      - they fold air/weak
      - they call medium-towards good medium strength.
      - they raise very strong hands such as combo draw, pair + draw, 2pair+.

      What hands in his range fit into each of this category after he called preflop?
      Call:
      Ax, QJ-Q8, JT, various FDs?
      I'm not sure they would raise something like AQ, they like to slowplay [AF 1,5], same goes with sets

      Raise:
      Asxs, JsTs, A5

      Is that even remotely right?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Yep.

      I do think they raise sets like 75% of the time when there's a flushdraw so I wouldn't count on that just calling. It's usually Ax and non-combo draws. :)