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[NL2-NL10] NL5 Speed JJ

    • cheekopeh
      cheekopeh
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.09.2010 Posts: 461
      IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $9.62 (192.4 bb)
      UTG: $0.95 (19 bb)
      MP: $0 (0 bb)
      Hero (CO): $3.90 (78 bb)
      BTN: $0 (0 bb)
      SB: $4.97 (99.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.52) 9 4 9 (3 players)
      MP bets $0.35, Hero raises to $0.95, BTN calls $0.75, MP raises to $5.32, Hero folds

      Turn: ($3.17) 2 (2 players)
      River: ($3.17) A (2 players)

      Results:
      $3.17 pot ($0.15 rake)
      Final Board: 9 4 9 2 A
      MP showed K K and won $3.02 ($1.92 net)
      Hero mucked J J and lost (-$1.10 net)
      BTN showed 8 8 and lost (-$0.90 net)


      I think something's screwed up w HM2 regarding Ipoker. Can't see Villain's stack sizes.

      Both Villains are unknown

      PF: I flat MP's OR as I don't see much value in 3-betting

      Flop: On this flop, I decided to raise as I'm not comfortable calling 2-3 streets w an overpair like JJ not knowing where I stand. When I get 3-bet shove, I think it's an easy fold.
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi,

      Preflop: I'm going with the assumption that both villain have 100 BB here.

      Based on that preflop looks fine

      Postflop: Once we get shoved it's an easy fold but is there a lot of value in raising there? I think we isolate ourselves against the same goods hands that we are trying to avoid paying.

      Considering it's 3 way villain may even fold TT sometimes and without info we don't really know how they play.
    • cheekopeh
      cheekopeh
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.09.2010 Posts: 461
      Hi Bogdan,

      I know it's kinda mistake nowadays to raise to "find out info".

      But I raised for only one reason because I don't want to just call further streets not knowing what's Villain up to.

      For e.g, I have still have overpair on Turn non club. I'll be in a tough spot now, not knowing if I should throw my hand away or call and evaluate on River. And if I call, what if it's another blank and I still have overpair? If I call on Turn believing I'm ahead, then I assume I should call on River as well?

      The only info I have is he's pretty strong since he bets into 2 other player OOP.

      What do you think is the best line to take?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by cheekopeh
      Hi Bogdan,

      I know it's kinda mistake nowadays to raise to "find out info".

      But I raised for only one reason because I don't want to just call further streets not knowing what's Villain up to.

      For e.g, I have still have overpair on Turn non club. I'll be in a tough spot now, not knowing if I should throw my hand away or call and evaluate on River. And if I call, what if it's another blank and I still have overpair? If I call on Turn believing I'm ahead, then I assume I should call on River as well?

      The only info I have is he's pretty strong since he bets into 2 other player OOP.

      What do you think is the best line to take?
      The second to last line is important:

      "The only info I have is he's pretty strong since he bets into 2 other player OOP."

      So if the turn is a blank and he bets again what can his range be? Can you expect a somewhat unknown villain to bet much worse?

      If we raise there for info what info are we gaining from villain? We have no information on him so does a raise mean strength? What if he just min raises? Does a call mean weakness?