[NL20-NL50] NL50sh - check call river?

    • Farmarchist
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      He!

      villain is 71/12/30 hand fish fold 1/4 tocbet

      So, should we bet turn bigger? I didn't want to valuetown myself vs his good hands so I didn't make it too big.

      On the river I was thinking about thing value because I'd expect that a fish raises two pair+ somewhere in the hand. This is a board where he can slowplay a bit so I checked.

      He bets and gives me good odds. Just call right?

      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2040901
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BB: $50.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.2, Hands: 448
      UTG: $50.00 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 31, 3B: 16, AF: 1.7, Hands: 55
      MP: $51.34 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 4.9, Hands: 1446
      CO: $45.15 - VPIP: 69, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 1.1, Hands: 42
      BTN: $52.40 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 2.9, Hands: 380
      Hero (SB): $50.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 554884

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K :club: J :club:
      2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, CO calls $2

      Flop: ($5.50) T :diamond: J :spade: 5 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.00, CO calls $4

      Turn: ($13.50) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50

      River: ($28.50) 6 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50
  • 8 replies
    • serverm07
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      nice spot to have "bet river" stat in your hud and just really depends a lot on the reads you have on the fish. how does he play flush draws, if he calls flop and plays them passively then I like x/c here to let him bluff. If he plays them aggresively then it means his range here is Jx then I prefer a 2/3 pot bet. notes are a nice thing :)
    • EmanuelC16
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      I think turn is definitely a bigger bet. You are value betting, do you think his calling range changes drastically if you bet smaller? What about his raising range? If you are value betting (get called by worse), the bigger the better if it doesn't screw up SPR too much. You only bet bigger/smaller because of SPR, board texture AND elastic ranges that might call small bet but fold to bigger. If his range is not very elastic or very weak, it doesn't make sense to bet smaller to 'not lose more when you are behind' because when you are valuebetting you already account for the better hands that call or raise.

      For me river is either a bet or a check/fold. Showdown value hands check back, flush got there, you bluffcatch vs KQ and you block some combos.
    • Farmarchist
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      Learnfull!
    • EmanuelC16
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      You're welcome! :)
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      You're welcome! :)
      You also prefer check/fold R?
    • EmanuelC16
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      I don't have my mind made up actually. I take into account some hands I've seen him play before (did he ever call a river bet? did he ever bluff a river/value bet thinly?) and his timing in this particular hand as well.

      I think both have merits but since you are facing a fish, betting for value is probably a fairly +EV option even if the board is not great.
    • double2
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      This probably is a spot for Hero to bet 1/3 river, kinda like the size villain made.

      He will raise the flush and call with worse Jx or even Tx. And he has no bluffs, so I don't fear being bluff raised.

      Do you like a 1/3 value bet river Manu?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by double2
      This probably is a spot for Hero to bet 1/3 river, kinda like the size villain made.

      He will raise the flush and call with worse Jx or even Tx. And he has no bluffs, so I don't fear being bluff raised.

      Do you like a 1/3 value bet river Manu?
      I would actually bet close to what villain bet now so yeah, I think 1/3 pot is OK. The bet is still quite thin though and keep in mind some people view it as more polarized if you bet bigger here, thus call whatever they think beats your air. You encounter this more at NL50 imo... Fish and bad regs level themselves into calling 16 bet there because they think you no longer rep a hand such as QQ so you have some sets, flush or air. They call T9 way more easily than when you bet 1/3 and can have KJ like you do here.

      It's actually about choosing a sizing against which your opponent makes the bigger mistake. I can't always say what that is, I often get it wrong myself because of lack of information. :)