[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR - 88 on MP2

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $50 (100 bb)
      BTN: $50.95 (101.9 bb)
      SB: $129.23 (258.5 bb)
      BB: $45.67 (91.3 bb)
      MP1: $46.25 (92.5 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $52.22 (104.4 bb)
      MP3: $27.79 (55.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8 8
      MP1 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

      Flop: ($5) T 8 J (3 players)
      SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.78, SB calls $3.78, MP1 calls $3.78

      Turn: ($16.34) Q (3 players)
      SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $11.58, SB folds, MP1 raises to $40.97 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Results:
      $39.50 pot ($2.17 rake)
      Final Board: T 8 J Q
      SB mucked and lost (-$5.28 net)
      MP1 mucked and won $37.33 ($20.47 net)
      Hero mucked 8 8 and lost (-$16.86 net)

      SB Stats: VPIP: 82, PFR: 49, 3B: 7, AF: 0,9, Hands: 110
      MP1 Stats: VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 1,8, Hands: 598

      Thoughts?
      Turn size too big?
      (btw on flop it was an 80% pot)
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Check turn!!!

      What are their range for calling flop?

      What do you expect to get called when you bet turn? What do they fold when you bet turn? What do they raise?
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Check turn!!!

      What are their range for calling flop?

      What do you expect to get called when you bet turn? What do they fold when you bet turn? What do they raise?
      Ok let's see. Well on flop they both could have pretty much any broadway combination, giving them possible draws, two pairs, TPTK, and lower, even PPs like 77,99.

      I got carried away and bet turn due to their double check and my hope to prevent another card from going down, but yeah against 2 players it's not too wise as at least one of them probably closed. Given their passivity, I was thinking of possible two pairs and TPTK that would still call me, and that gave me the final motivation to bet. Bad idea.

      To answer "what do they raise" is REALLY difficult against 1 super passive player and an average passive player on such a board. But given the size of the pot probably even straights won't slowplay here and raise me thinking that I won't fold. Probably nothing worse than that. Maybe QJ, QT.

      I wish I could have all this time to think on tables :( it's all so fast there.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      To answer "what do they raise" is REALLY difficult against 1 super passive player and an average passive player on such a board.


      2 passive players. What do passive players raise?

      Why do you awesome straights slowplay as a default here? :)
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      To answer "what do they raise" is REALLY difficult against 1 super passive player and an average passive player on such a board.


      2 passive players. What do passive players raise?

      Why do you awesome straights slowplay as a default here? :)
      Well not as a default, but a LOT of times these passive players slowplay monster points, and raise average like twopair and bluffs.
      They are strange.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      I haven't seen passive players bluff raise almost ever, unless they got tilted, in which case they changed from passive to aggressive anyway.

      You have to be aware that the description 'passive' means something in regards to how he plays hands in his range. If you don't make the correct connection you will have a tough time assigning ranges. :)