[NL20-NL50] NL50sh - 89s UTG openraise

    • Farmarchist
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      Hey,

      Is the openraise fine with those fishes in the blinds? They are fullstacked and that convinced me. I wouldn't go lower!

      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2042404
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $50.44 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 5.3, Hands: 165
      SB: $49.41 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 30, 3B: 9, AF: 1.4, Hands: 61
      BB: $60.85 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 68
      Hero (UTG): $50.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 557751
      MP: $53.50 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 1.8, Hands: 191
      CO: $55.46 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 3.2, Hands: 80

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 9 :heart: 8 :heart:
      Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

      Flop: ($3.75) 6 :spade: 4 :heart: 5 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, BTN raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5

      Turn: ($18.75) 4 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $12.00, Hero folds
  • 9 replies
    • double2
      double2
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      I think it's fine pre flop.

      I have doubts regarding flop, we have a really strong hand and I don't know if it's enough to stack off against the nit. If we think we have some FE we shoud definitely stack off.
    • EmanuelC16
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      Preflop can be fine.. 89s will play better than 22 in many cases imo.

      Flop is a stack off though... OOP you can't really draw or bluff later.. I'd argue a check/shove on that turn because he has fewer sets in his range so he is more likely to be bluffing.
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Preflop can be fine.. 89s will play better than 22 in many cases imo.

      Flop is a stack off though... OOP you can't really draw or bluff later.. I'd argue a check/shove on that turn because he has fewer sets in his range so he is more likely to be bluffing.
      Again, why do you think he's bluffing? I actually think he's bluffing like 2% here :P

      So I don't do great..

      nl.pokerstrategy.com
      Board: 6s4h5h
      Equity Winst Split
      MP2 31.72% 31.26% 0.45% { 9h8h }
      MP3 68.28% 67.83% 0.45% { 66-44, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh }
    • EmanuelC16
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      I disagree a bit with the range you gave him:


      Board: 6:spade: 5:heart: 4:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    37.52%  37.19%   0.33% { 9h8h }
      MP3    62.48%  62.15%   0.33% { 66-44, JdJh, JhJc, TdTh, ThTc, 7d7h, 7h7s, 7h7c, 87s, 76s, 65s, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah7h }


      Furthermore, it's a flop that hits UTG almost never unless you have a set. AA becomes quite weak there against a raise so it's a great bluffing spot. I assume he raise/folds at least some percetage of the time. He is a regular, he plays NL50.. I'm not saying he goes crazy but there has to be at least a few combos compared to his ~30 value/semi-value range.
    • Farmarchist
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      As you see, in best case we only have 37%... So I still disagree with going broke OTF. His stats are also too nitty for a good NL50sh reg. It's true that vs a good reg shoving the flop is the best line! I agree here.

      I also don't think such a nitty guy calls 78s, 76s , 56s vs a UTG open. 7h7x could raise flop but again, mostly just calls.
    • EmanuelC16
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      Then you hand becomes a preflop fold imo. If when you flop the best you could you can't really put max pressure, there won't be many flops you can do much.

      If you think his raising range is the one you've described then you should fold vs the raise. You don't have implied odds when you hit, you fold everytime you don't hit and you pay off when you both hit.

      You have to look into it a bit more but how much better than this can you hit and how much more confident will you be to continue on those better flops? It's not a definite preflop fold because you don't stack of here but it is more likely to be so.
    • Farmarchist
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      It's just that vs this exact oppo I think it's better to just fold flop (yes thanks for that advise). If we were vs a better reg (no nit) it seems much better indeed.

      But that was why I raised preflop, because that guy was really tight and thus I'm going to play a lot with the blinds.
    • Laphreizh
      Laphreizh
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      Just wondering, how can you be 17/15 and opening 89s UTG ?
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by Laphreizh
      Just wondering, how can you be 17/15 and opening 89s UTG ?
      Haha everyone is asking this :D .

      It's because the stats are mixed with old FR stats I think.

      I'm playing 24/20 or something similar