[NL2-NL10] QQ against push and call

    • mlatasrb
      mlatasrb
      Platinum
      Joined: 01.04.2012 Posts: 2,722
      PartyGaming - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 20.4 BB
      SB: 129.2 BB
      BB: 296.5 BB
      Hero (UTG): 100 BB
      MP: 100 BB
      CO: 114.1 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 20.4 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 19.4 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, BB calls 79.6 BB

      Flop: (220.9 BB, 3 players) 4:spade: 9:heart: 2:club:

      Turn: (220.9 BB, 3 players) J:heart:

      River: (220.9 BB, 3 players) 7:club:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: Q:spade: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 68%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
      BTN mucks 8:spade: 8:diamond: (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 16%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)
      BB shows 6:heart: 5:club: (High Card, Jack) (Pre 16%, Flop 20%, Turn 10%)
      Hero wins 152.2 BB
      Hero wins 58.7 BB



      BTN is fish 48 VPiP, 140 hands.
      Other guy only 11 hands, 68VPiP.

      Is my push better than call? Because of his high VPiP (even on small sample) I believed he is crazy (as he is) and pushed. Against regg I would probably fold
  • 5 replies
    • serverm07
      serverm07
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      Joined: 08.08.2012 Posts: 1,130
      I wouldn't fold against a reg here either. I would shove super wide here probably something like 88+ AJs+ QKs+ (obv I'm saying this after I saw this hand and results) 48 vpip could just mean he plays 48% of hands when the raise is small and might play tighter vs big raises, but after seeing this hand that would be my range vs him just because there is so much dead money and he called so light here.
    • mlatasrb
      mlatasrb
      Platinum
      Joined: 01.04.2012 Posts: 2,722
      PartyGaming - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 78.7 BB
      SB: 53 BB
      Hero (BB): 106.7 BB
      UTG: 192.2 BB
      MP: 10.4 BB
      CO: 116.1 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:spade: 7:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 7:heart: K:club: 8:spade:
      SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 8.7 BB, BTN calls 8.7 BB, SB calls 7.7 BB

      Turn: (35.1 BB, 3 players) 6:club:
      SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 18.2 BB, BTN calls 18.2 BB, fold

      River: (72.5 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
      Hero bets 18 BB, BTN raises to 48.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 30.8 BB

      Hero shows 7:spade: 7:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 67%, Flop 93%, Turn 75%)
      BTN shows 4:club: 8:club: (Flush, King High) (Pre 33%, Flop 7%, Turn 25%)
      BTN wins 161.6 BB


      BTN 180 hands, VPiP 26, 12 PFR, FCB 36, looks fishy.

      Should I raise larger on turn? I was not sure anymore if it is for value, because of straight.
      I raise smaller, because I wanted Kx to call.

      River: horrible, still I beleived BTN has Kx, and bet small. Should I fold then to push? With small bet I could also induce bluff, but non of draws missed.
    • serverm07
      serverm07
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      Joined: 08.08.2012 Posts: 1,130
      I like the raise on the flop. However on the turn I think you can go bigger when there is that many draws on the board, now the question is how big, I think we can only guesstimate the optimal size, my general rule of thumb is to just go slightly under pot so I think I would raise to like 28-34bb depending on how big of a fish he is. Basically whenever you play fish you should pay attention to if they call draws no matter what sizing or will actually fold if you go too big and figure out how big of a fish they are.

      On the river I think betting is fairly thin but it's ok if you think he will call with two pair however once he raises we should definitely fold because fish don't turn stuff into bluffs and literally everything got there.
    • serverm07
      serverm07
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      Joined: 08.08.2012 Posts: 1,130
      I would prob raise/fold (meaning fold if he reraises you) as light as KT+ just because I expect him to have so many draws and I want to get value/protect my hand.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey mlatasrb,

      Preflop: looks fine. I would shove here as well because villain will most likely call a wide range (after investing a 5th of his effective stack).

      Why would you fold against a reg? Well it would depend on the reg but what type of range would you assign them?