[NL20-NL50] I Spew so hard, but wtf on his flat :S

    • Saren113
      Saren113
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,867
      The opener is a recreational player that plays 46/34 over 42 hands. Second player was unknown. I like to put my opponents in the begining for reads and for future play.
      In the heat of the battle i just felt that I got to much bd + overs that might be good from time to time.

      PokerStars - Hold'em Cash Games - $0.10/0.25 Blinds - 6 Players
      Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

      HERO (BB): $40.86
      Kraty21 (UTG): $10.96
      Garavef (UTG+1): $10.40
      tballin (CO): $20.91
      r3m1x (BTN): $30.26
      cracko123 (SB): $24.75

      Pre-flop: Dealt to HERO J:heart: A:club:
      (2 folds), tballin raises to $.75, (1 folds), cracko123 raises to $2.25, HERO raises to $5.50, (1 folds), cracko123 calls $3.25

      Flop: ($11.75) 3:club: 4:club: T:heart: (2 Players)
      cracko123 checks, HERO bets $4.75, cracko123 raises to $10.25, HERO raises to $35.36 and is all-in, cracko123 calls $9 and is all-in, HERO returns $16.11

      Turn: ($55) 7:spade: (2 Players)

      River: ($55) 8:club: (2 Players)

      cracko123 Showed K:spade: Q:club:
      HERO Showed J:heart: A:club:
      HERO wins $48.25 with high card Ace
  • 4 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Saren,

      First off, nice result.

      Secondly I dislike your play from start to finish (well I lied, I actually don't mind you cold-4bet but I'd prefer to have some info on the 3-better - is he reg, is he fish?)

      Why do we shove on that flop with zero info? Villain called our 4-bet so for all we know his range is strong and he can even take this line with AQ/AK and not fold.

      I feel that our line postflop is just spew. Do you really think you got FE with just $9 behind?

      I doubt you will be able to win in the long term with these plays. It just adds unnecessary variance which leads to tilt. Plus you will never really know if these spots are really that plus EV (And I really doubt they are).
    • Saren113
      Saren113
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,867
      Against JJ on this board i actually got 47.86 EQ , against the range off KK+,JJ,QTs+,JTs,T9s,QTo+ i got 60.94%.

      I agree with that the 4b without info is stupid. It might be a minus ev spot, but I don't expect that many to flat 4b oop 100 bb deep.

      against a total nutted range i got 41.91% eq (TT+) Don't expect decent players to have a set on this board tho.


      I don't expect to have FE against his raising range but i expect to have enough EQ to stack off. Might be wrong. Luckily this spot dosen't occur to often!
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Saren113
      Against JJ on this board i actually got 47.86 EQ , against the range off KK+,JJ,QTs+,JTs,T9s,QTo+ i got 60.94%.

      I agree with that the 4b without info is stupid. It might be a minus ev spot, but I don't expect that many to flat 4b oop 100 bb deep.

      against a total nutted range i got 41.91% eq (TT+) Don't expect decent players to have a set on this board tho.


      I don't expect to have FE against his raising range but i expect to have enough EQ to stack off. Might be wrong. Luckily this spot dosen't occur to often!
      I would say that even in some of the best case scenarios for us we are not doing too great.

      How did you get 47.86% equity on this board versus JJ?

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 80.34% 80.34% 0.00% JJ
      MP3 19.66% 19.66% 0.00% AcJh


      We have 20% at best.

      We have 3 outs for the A so that's roughly 12%, some 2% backdoor straight and 5% from the backdoor flush.

      47.86 is IF we have the NFD but we don't, unless the hand was posted wrong.
    • Saren113
      Saren113
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,867
      fail of me.... :facepalm: