[NL20-NL50] NL50sh - AJs vs UTG

    • Farmarchist
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      - Is this a call preflop?

      - Is this a flopcall vs a normal CBsize?

      - Then what to do on blank turns?

      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2045496
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      UTG: $32.93 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 94
      MP: $64.86 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 378
      CO: $55.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 22, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 171
      BTN: $58.29 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 3.0, Hands: 266
      SB: $43.65 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 2, 3B: 4, AF: 3.7, Hands: 62
      Hero (BB): $52.50 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 561273

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A :spade: J :spade:
      UTG raises to $1.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($3.25) 7 :spade: 3 :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $3.00, Hero folds
  • 17 replies
    • EmanuelC16
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      Midstacker or fishy guy?

      Against midstacker it's a preflop fold imo and vs a fish it's a 3bet. You could call vs a regular with full stack that is a bit too wide from UTG but you obviously don't have that read at the moment.

      As played, it's though to play post. You need information to make thin plays when you don't hit. You don't need specific information on him, you have to be confident enough in what your average unknown does. It's a good flop to check/call and bluff river when turn checks through while also being able to get some value on J and A on turn.
    • Farmarchist
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      I think he's kinda fishy so no MSS player. Because of his pasiveness I think his UTG opening range will be pretty tight. So is it still a 3b for value then?

      Thanks about the flopplay. I would also float vs a normal size!
    • EmanuelC16
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      The fish is not positionally aware usually so if you think he raises preflop with all pairs, broadways and some suited connectors, that's usually what he raises from each position, maybe more from SB and BU but he also calls pretty much all of that vs a 3bet from my experience so I still think 3betting for value vs a fish is best.
    • Farmarchist
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      Okay clear. If we see that he's kinda postional aware -> call ?
    • serverm07
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      Vs good regs 3bet or fold cus I never flat anything here. Vs fish we can 3bet to get initiative/semi bluff type deal. But yea that's why raise first in stats are super important to have in your hud so you can see how positionally aware everyone is.
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      Vs good regs 3bet or fold cus I never flat anything here. Vs fish we can 3bet to get initiative/semi bluff type deal. But yea that's why raise first in stats are super important to have in your hud so you can see how positionally aware everyone is.
      3B or fold vs regs from SB makes sense but why from BB?
    • EmanuelC16
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      Hmmm.. tight UTG vs BB I would never 3bet actually. Complete opposite strategy probably. :D
    • Farmarchist
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      Why and why? :D

      Why not have a 3b and a callingrange? Some hands are too thin to 3b for value but play good enough oop... Like AJs, QKs..
    • serverm07
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      in what world does AJs and QKs play well vs utg tight range?
    • serverm07
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      before you ask me why, think about it and try to come up with an answer of your own. Curious to hear thoughts from emanuel too.
    • EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      before you ask me why, think about it and try to come up with an answer of your own. Curious to hear thoughts from emanuel too.
      Will post after Farma posts his thoughts.

      Did you ask why I would just not 3bet vs tight UTG or what I think of Farma's question?
    • serverm07
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      I'm curious what your flatting range from bb looks like vs utg. if you are never 3betting does that mean you are flatting AA/KK also. why do you think think this is profitable?
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      before you ask me why, think about it and try to come up with an answer of your own. Curious to hear thoughts from emanuel too.
      His range will be something like AJo+, ATs+, KJs+, KQo+, 77+ and maybe TJs+ if he's tight.

      When we call AJs we still dominate some hands, same for QKs.

      Hmm I see AJs has only 44% vs that range + he has position so u could be right that it's rather a fold than a call.

      3B because we expect him to fold most of his range vs us (3b vs utg)?
    • EmanuelC16
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      If I 3bet KK+ and some bluffs or QQ+, AK or some bluffs I'm left without a flatting range or a very narrow and hard to play flatting range. I mentioned this is against tight UTG so an approximation of ranges would be this:


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    42.14%  40.17%   1.97% { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, AQo+, KQo }
      BB     57.86%  55.89%   1.97% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }



      Depending on how much I think I can outplay him postflop I can add more hands and if he is wider than that from UTG (and most people actually were at NL25 and NL50) I can usually start 3betting and having a flatting range as well.
    • Farmarchist
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      So are u saying u would 3b all these: 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+

      and fold the rest?

      And have a callingrange when we think he's wider and easier to play against?
    • EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      So are u saying u would 3b all these: 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+

      and fold the rest?

      And have a callingrange when we think he's wider and easier to play against?
      No, I would just call all those. :f_biggrin:
    • Farmarchist
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      oh right :D .

      Now I'm curious to hear serverm's thoughts on this :P