[NL20-NL50] NL50sh - tripple barrel here?

    • Farmarchist
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      He was a reg and I thought sets would x/r flop so he's left with a capped range full of PP's which cant call 3 barrels.

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      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2045515
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      Hero (UTG): $50.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 561273
      MP: $79.85 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 17, 3B: 13, AF: 2.7, Hands: 167
      CO: $51.84 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 29, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 28
      BTN: $49.25 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 44
      SB: $62.40 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 2.2, Hands: 189
      BB: $28.28 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 33

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T :spade: K :spade:
      Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

      Flop: ($3.50) 6 :spade: 3 :diamond: 4 :club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

      Turn: ($8.50) 6 :club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, SB calls $5

      River: ($18.50) 9 :heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $9.50, SB raises to $29.75, Hero folds
  • 16 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Hey Farma,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: While that's true I doubt that the way the board ran out you will make villain to fold a ton of hands.

      Can you see him folding even 77/88 to 1/2 pot on the river?
    • Farmarchist
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      Yes I though 77/88 would go into the muck

      I think I shouldn't have barreled this turn?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Yes I though 77/88 would go into the muck

      I think I shouldn't have barreled this turn?
      I wouldn't barrel that there because I will find it hard to make villain to fold much unless he flops OOP a ton of garbage.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Hi.

      As a general rule of thumb i would never barrel paired turns unless i have a decent draw.
      Our opponents are hardly going to fold much on such a turn.
    • mlatasrb
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      I think he could slowplayed set here, because there is no fd, and you are rarely having 5x.
      I think turn barrel is fine if there is scare card, on blank they always call.
    • serverm07
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      I don't understand how you are playing 17/15 and have TKss in your utg range. Anyway as far as barreling without really good draws goes I think this might be the one spot to do it. Although you should think about your sizing here, would your sizing be same here with say KK/AA?

      Also my problem with barreling here is that he is in the sb and is probably more likely to have 99-QQ and not that many 77-88 and prob not folding those on this run out.
    • serverm07
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      Originally posted by mlatasrb
      I think he could slowplayed set here, because there is no fd, and you are rarely having 5x.
      I think turn barrel is fine if there is scare card, on blank they always call.
      If he has a fh here it would have to be exactly 99 because I think 33/44/66/6x is like never in his range.
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      I don't understand how you are playing 17/15 and have TKss in your utg range. Anyway as far as barreling without really good draws goes I think this might be the one spot to do it. Although you should think about your sizing here, would your sizing be same here with say KK/AA?

      Also my problem with barreling here is that he is in the sb and is probably more likely to have 99-QQ and not that many 77-88 and prob not folding those on this run out.
      Again someone who think that I play 17/15 :D . Those stats are rigged :P . My FR hands are part of it prob.
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by mlatasrb
      I think he could slowplayed set here, because there is no fd, and you are rarely having 5x.
      I think turn barrel is fine if there is scare card, on blank they always call.
      If he has a fh here it would have to be exactly 99 because I think 33/44/66/6x is like never in his range.
      Why exactly don't we see 33/44/66/6x in his range?

      His preflop range can easily have them and the flop/turn are really dry so he can call two streets.
    • serverm07
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by mlatasrb
      I think he could slowplayed set here, because there is no fd, and you are rarely having 5x.
      I think turn barrel is fine if there is scare card, on blank they always call.
      If he has a fh here it would have to be exactly 99 because I think 33/44/66/6x is like never in his range.
      Why exactly don't we see 33/44/66/6x in his range?

      His preflop range can easily have them and the flop/turn are really dry so he can call two streets.
      If you think you can call any of those hands here profitably oop from sb vs utg then you have some big leaks. Even with 22% vpip I don't think he can have them. It would help more specific sb stats but I'm pretty sure my assumption is correct here.
    • Farmarchist
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      I call any PP from blinds vs UTG/MP open. Is this a leak? :( :(
    • serverm07
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      yes big time
    • Farmarchist
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      oops. Call 77+?
    • duder1n0
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      I totally agree that calling low pairs from the blinds and playing a headsup pot oop is not really +EV, as we have to play fit-or-fold a lot on the flop, or even if we call once, we cant really stand barrelling. Plus for semibluffs we usually wont have many outs...

      Originally posted by serverm07
      If he has a fh here it would have to be exactly 99 because I think 33/44/66/6x is like never in his range.
      But I think it's also a mistake to project our own ideas to opponents. Why are you so sure that some other reg thinks about this the same as you? I see lots of regs with decent stats, but coldcalling mindlessly just any PP from any position...
    • Farmarchist
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      btw guys,

      Isn't it good to call to balance our bluffranges on 764 flops etc? Or do u never bluffraise there? :f_biggrin:
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by mlatasrb
      I think he could slowplayed set here, because there is no fd, and you are rarely having 5x.
      I think turn barrel is fine if there is scare card, on blank they always call.
      If he has a fh here it would have to be exactly 99 because I think 33/44/66/6x is like never in his range.
      Why exactly don't we see 33/44/66/6x in his range?

      His preflop range can easily have them and the flop/turn are really dry so he can call two streets.
      If you think you can call any of those hands here profitably oop from sb vs utg then you have some big leaks. Even with 22% vpip I don't think he can have them. It would help more specific sb stats but I'm pretty sure my assumption is correct here.
      I'm not advocating calling small pairs versus UTG.

      I'm saying that a LOT of players have them in their calling range so discounting them entirely is a mistake (because we don't have enough info to go one way or another).

      Sure it's hard to play them profitably but that doesn't mean that most people don't call them anyway to try and hit sets.