Becoming a pro?

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    • LONGPLAY66
      LONGPLAY66
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      a high percentage of pro's are skint/borrowing/begging/stealing..angry and basically degenerate,do you really want to join that club.

      better to have a decent job and "also" play poker.
    • Guthans
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      Originally posted by LONGPLAY66
      a high percentage of pro's are skint/borrowing/begging/stealing..angry and basically degenerate,do you really want to join that club.

      better to have a decent job and "also" play poker.
      Is that based on anything? Because it sure sounds like bullshit to me, sorry.
      A decent job, working 9-5, wasting your life while also doing something you enjoy, well, thats good for you, but it's obviously not what this guy needs.

      Anyway, sort it out with your parents first, it's not worth losing people you love just because you weren't smooth in engaging them into poker.
    • Saren113
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      Hey mate! I got some friends of mine that are in there mid 20 that played poker from they were 18, they have played the highest stake two years ago. But the devoution for poker have escaped and they don't see it as entertaining anymore.

      The thing is that your parents obv wants their son to have a secure future.

      What happens if you bust your roll, do you have a respair one? Do you have money put on the side in case of a badrun.

      Are you actually willing to give up your contact with your parents for poker?

      Atleast talk to your parents I am sure they just want you to be safe like every parents in the world would for their kids.
    • belthazorrrr
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      Firstly online poker is much much much more difficult than live poker. Most casinos are full of fishes that limp Q7s utg in nl100. You rarely see this in online nl100. You cant say you can beat online poker if you dont have a sample

      Winning 10k may feel godish but this isnt near the reality. You have to play 6 months at least semi professionally to see if you can sustain the swings. Even in 15$ tournaments were the edges are bigger than higher stakes 30bis swings are pretty common

      This isnt any advice to give you if you want to become a pro. First you must see if you can sustain to play x hours per day, x days per month. Then you must see if you can sustain the swings. But more important you must see if you can beat anything in online poker

      When i started semi professionally, i lost only one day over a year playing live but lost everytime i was playing online. The skill difference is huge. I know now that i beat a limit and i talk with my friends about poker. When i see that they QJo is a very good hand i know i will always have money from them. But the fish/reg ratio is very bad atm
    • MatejM47
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      Well first off there is a big difference between poker players and degenerate gamblers who happen to play poker as well.

      A good example would be someone like Sammy Farha who is basically a degen but happens to play poker as well and was actually good at it at some point when the games were really soft. There's a reason he didn't show up on any of the high stakes shows since season 1 of HSP and would go busto pretty fast playing the high stakes games this days.

      The problem is more people like OP's parents know guys like sammy farha but never heard of guys like vinivici so obviously they think poker players are degens instead of grinders.

      As for security being a poker player i think you are no more nor no less secure then having a regular job this days.

      As for the state of the games idk when belthazorrrr played online but at the moment nl100/200 games are really good and you can easily get 15-18 tables with 2 fish on them 24/7. It just takes a lot more table selecting and mixing in 2 limits and FR/SH to get the best table selection possible.
    • tripseekerx
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      Just announce your a pro, and it shall be...If you want others to acknowledge your a pro, you need to win a bunch of money, a couple times...enough to where your ranked highly, they'll be 43 sites tracking you...go win, and at some point the world will just start calling you pro..

      The freelance stuff? Geez man, lots of seniority out there, you got to be to design and creation God to get work in that field..a regular dood with regular skillset wont get a job there..

      If you played for 4 years, 40 hours a week, then you gotta be a smokin player, and know exaclty if poker is for you or not

      I wish I would have mastered poker early, like you..very cool skill to have..If your a poker winner, then definately pick that...that picture sellin thing would be torture...
    • belthazorrrr
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      Originally posted by MatejM47


      As for the state of the games idk when belthazorrrr played online but at the moment nl100/200 games are really good and you can easily get 15-18 tables with 2 fish on them 24/7. It just takes a lot more table selecting and mixing in 2 limits and FR/SH to get the best table selection possible.
      I never played nl100 or cash regularly. When you say you can find 2 fishes you are exactly in my point. Casinos are full of fishes. This is exactly what i say. Beating live for lolen sample doesnt mean you can beat online
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by Spoderman i am here to ask you guys, with my skill and determination, how do i become pro.

      You see i want to move to a legal gambling country where online poker is legal and deposit maybe a thousand and have a system of positive and negative each day and basically that will be my job.

      I am here looking for guidance and if it is a good idea for me to follow through this idea so early, and how to even get started. Thanks for listening guys, I'm open to answer any questions also.
      Treat poker like you would any business.
      You therefore keep your poker money separate from your household money.
      You track income and expenses.
      You keep a balance sheet.
      You devote time each day to self-development.
      You pay taxes on your poker income.
      You plan your work, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month.

      In order to do this, you must demonstrate strong organisational skills, and provide all of your own motivation.

      Can you do this?

      My suggestion would be that you prove it to yourself by getting your grades up, maybe even completing your degree.

      At the very least, you would then presumably have a source of income you could fall back on.

      There may be quite a few side benefits to that approach -- such as a better relationship with your parents. You may not need their approval, but it may be helpful to have their support.

      Although it is a game, it isn't all giggles.

      Think of the work an olympic athlete needs to do in order to get to the top of their game. You will need to do the poker equivalent.

      Best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do.
    • oblioo
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      I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet: a $1000 bankroll is not nearly enough to be an online pro. I would recommend AT THE VERY LEAST a $5000 bankroll (plus at least 6 months of living expenses saved up; preferably more), and have a large sample of beating 100NL online or higher (assuming you play cash) before deciding to go pro. And I am a bankroll fish so other people will probably consider my advice on the aggressive side.

      Playing poker can be a great profession but only if you're dedicated and self-disciplined. I don't necessarily agree with Vorpal that you need to plan your work schedule month-to-month (part of the great thing about being a poker pro for me is I can take time off/vacations essentially whenever I want), but you do need to have a solid and realistic plan before deciding to go pro. You say you have been playing 30+ hours a week for the past 4 years--what stakes? How have your results been, specifically?
    • Tarhonya
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      Interesting. Can you tell us more, like online lifetime winnings, what limits you're playing and how many hands you have put in over the years online?
    • Gentari
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      Choosing the path is always fun when you are young.

      Following your dream is an excellent idea, take the advice people are offering, look for some of the guys who are pros and ask them for some good advice.

      My advice fwiw, make a plan, include study, family and poker goals. Being a lonely poker player with no fallback option and a family who you have fallen out with will be something you will look back on with regret.

      Good Luck
    • nefarious26
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      Hey your only a kid you got all the time in the world to turn pro,

      finish school get a job should be your number one priority at the moment, you can still play poker you can still grind, build a nice bankroll see how far you can progress up the limits and still beat the game

      Do it this way and you will know when and if you should play poker fulltime it will become very obvious to you and you will not need to be asking the question here