[NL2-NL10] NL2, fr, T9s

    • feverfew
      feverfew
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      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BTN): $4.13
      SB: $3.06
      BB: $3.04 (VPIP 82, PFR 5, Hands 44)
      UTG: $4.45
      UTG+1: $2.02
      MP: $5.32
      CO: $0.80

      SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T:club: 9:club:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, BB calls $0.06

      Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) 7:club: 5:club: J:heart:
      BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.14, BB calls $0.12

      Turn: ($0.45, 2 players) A:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BB calls $0.28

      River: ($1.01, 2 players) Q:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.64, fold

      Hero wins $0.97

      Preflop I think is ok, although maybe I could have considered tightening my range there, knowing villain is so loose. Flop, I feel ok semi-bluffing with flushdraw+gutshot. After that, I'm not sure. He could have an A, or a draw, or even just a pair beats me, but I still have outs . . .
  • 9 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Hi Fever,

      Preflop: looks fine because we really want to play as many pots as we can with the mega fish and our hand is good enough.

      Postflop: I don't mind our raise and can even allow us to take a free card on the turn if we feel like it.

      As played I like the turn bet on the Ax as better hands can fold and once we hit the river it's an easy valuebet. However we shouldn't make it too big because his 1p hands (most likely a weak pair) can't call much.

      What would you do versus a raise - either min raise or shove?
    • feverfew
      feverfew
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      well, vs. a raise, I guess I have three options:

      call, shove, or fold.

      vs. a min-raise, I think I would still have implied odds to call with my flushdraw+gutshot.

      vs. a shove, I obviously don't.

      I think vs. a min-raise I should play by the odds and call.

      Vs. a shove, I don't know. I'm inclined to fold, as he could have hit, and I'm only holding a draw.

      I don't think I would shove.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Well the first question you'd have to answer would be: what's his potential range for raising us (either size)?
    • feverfew
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      I think on the river, he could min raise with 2 pair, or maybe Ax?

      He could shove with any completed draw, maybe 2 pair.

      On the flop and turn, I think the possibilities for either size raise are much wider, Ax, Jx, strong draws, trips, etc.

      I'm not sure though . . . I'm not very confident in my range finding skills . . . :P
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by feverfew
      I think on the river, he could min raise with 2 pair, or maybe Ax?

      He could shove with any completed draw, maybe 2 pair.

      On the flop and turn, I think the possibilities for either size raise are much wider, Ax, Jx, strong draws, trips, etc.

      I'm not sure though . . . I'm not very confident in my range finding skills . . . :P
      Hopefully we can help you with that (range finding skills) :)

      I was more referring to a raise on the river when the draw completes.

      I'd disagree with you regarding the minraise/raise on river with 2p and Ax.

      If he wanted to raise Ax and most 2p he would do so before a big scare card comes down.

      Most passive fishy guys only raise the nuts and in this case it would be a completed draw.

      So then, based on the odds, we would need to see how many draws we beat versus how many we lose to. What do you thin, what's more likely? A bigger draw or a smaller draw? Listing them out helps a lot.
    • feverfew
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      Possible Draws:

      A flush draw higher than ours (3) - Jc, Kc, Ac

      A flush draw lower than ours (4) - 3c, 4c, 6c, 8c

      (not sure how that all works out with combos etc.)

      A straight (1) - KT

      (combos?)


      So based on this, there's 3 draws higher than ours, and 5 draws lower.

      Which means the odds are in our favour, and we should call a shove on the river, or shove vs. a minbet.

      ?
    • feverfew
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      Hopefully we can help you with that (range finding skills)


      I and my bankroll hope so too :) And thank you for all of your help so far, it's been great.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by feverfew
      Possible Draws:

      A flush draw higher than ours (3) - Jc, Kc, Ac

      A flush draw lower than ours (4) - 3c, 4c, 6c, 8c

      (not sure how that all works out with combos etc.)

      A straight (1) - KT

      (combos?)


      So based on this, there's 3 draws higher than ours, and 5 draws lower.

      Which means the odds are in our favour, and we should call a shove on the river, or shove vs. a minbet.

      ?
      Yet, if we count the combos the numbers would be quite the opposite.

      What do you think is more common? A Ax flush draw or 3x?

      For this exercise I highly recommend using equilab and simply select all the draws he can have and count the combos (each draw is one combo).
    • feverfew
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      An Ax flush draw is more common.

      18 flush draws beat ours.

      We beat 10 flush draws.

      We also beat 12 straight draws.


      Even if we include the straight draws, it's pretty close, 18 to 22. If we exclude the straight draws (maybe because he's less likely to raise or shove with a straight when the flush draw completes), then the odds are against us 18:10.

      So vs. a shove or even a raise, we should fold.