NL50 SH ATo 2pair

    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      Hey, I can't post it to the gold section since I'm bronze.
      Villain: 28/8/3.6 3bet, donk 18%, donk/fold 1/3. overall folds to cbets 55/60/57 fold/turn/river.
      23% call open @ SB.
      Don't really have history with him, he is fishy, calls alot of hands, gives up to tripple barrel I guess from stats. Really don't know what the best to do here. I hate calling the flop so I raise, but the shove kinda makes me sick. He is -27bb looser 2k sample. BTW final pot cannot be its 104$ before rake.

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $19.82
      CO:
      $182.93
      BU:
      $29.19
      SB:
      $81.85
      BB:
      $50.00
      MP2 (Hero):
      $51.84


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, A.
      Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds.

      Flop: ($3.5) Q, A, T (2 players)
      SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.50, SB raises to $80.35, Hero calls $41.84(All-In).

      Turn: ($134.19) K (2 players)


      River: ($134.19) 3 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $134.19.
  • 11 replies
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      I'd imagine a guy who ships in less than two pair here would be pretty easy to spot after so many hands and most likely his lose rate would be higher as well.

      Given the odds I think it's a fold, you'd have to give him a very optimistic range even to break even imo.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
      Gold
      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      bet bigger on turn
    • Phgrinder
      Phgrinder
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 1,002
      do you have showdown reads on his 2k hands? if not, the only hands you beat are A9 or less and your flipping to AJ and AK

      hard to put him on AA / QQ but he can definitely flat a JJ from the blinds
      i doubt he will do that with A7 - A9 though. so its either your flipping or way behind.

      i think flop raise is good. just so happens that your crushed but his flop 3bet shove range
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      Originally posted by ihufa
      bet bigger on turn
      what about river sizing ?
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      so its a clear snap fold ?
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Originally posted by OZSA
      so its a clear snap fold ?
      I think so. I have a really hard time coming up with a hand you can actually beat. Your really hoping to see QT only and he might not even play it this hard. I think you'll see AQ, KJ and TT most of the time.

      Does he always donk out for pot or not? If he doesn't and he showed up with the nuts this time then his smaller donks are likely weak.
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      I don't know if he donks smaller with weak hands and pot with nuts, all I looked at was his call open 23% and his 18% donk. thats 4% hand range. 4% is TT,AKs,KJs,QTs,AKo,KJo,QTo, against this range I'm good after I raise..thats the only reason I called, if he'd have 5-10% donk I'd instafold too. Judging only by numbers I don't see how is this a fold.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Originally posted by OZSA
      I don't know if he donks smaller with weak hands and pot with nuts, all I looked at was his call open 23% and his 18% donk. thats 4% hand range. 4% is TT,AKs,KJs,QTs,AKo,KJo,QTo, against this range I'm good after I raise..thats the only reason I called, if he'd have 5-10% donk I'd instafold too. Judging only by numbers I don't see how is this a fold.
      Hm maybe because 18% donkbet means nothing?? It dpeneds what spots he donks out. How often do you see people dbet/shipping this flop with air or with weak draws??? I mean it isn't 754, 89J or T65 that he probably donks out way more often. Don't think about numbers only, also when he donks he doesn't donk.ship all the time he has also some dbet/call range and dbet/fold aswell.
      Stop being such a hud monkey and start to think more about ranges.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Raise is overplay on flop unless u think he just randomly bets all ax and will call a raise
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      Originally posted by mbml
      Raise is overplay on flop unless u think he just randomly bets all ax and will call a raise
      so we don't protect/get value from Kx, Jx for the gutshots?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Nope u dont. Unless u think he calls with all those hands vs a raise.