hate shortstackers!

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    • PSBallin
      PSBallin
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      Well, you know how the saying goes - if you can't fight'em, join'em. But in all honesty I don't get why playing short-stacked is so popular, it hurts both your value and it tends to hurt other people at the table. Can someone explain why is this style of play so popular?
    • Knyght
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      Because it's easy to play and difficult to beat.
    • MatejM47
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      Originally posted by PSBallin
      it hurts both your value and it tends to hurt other people at the table.
      This makes no sense. If it hurts other ppl at the table then it doesnt hurt your value. If something is bad for them this means its good for your not vice versa.

      And its so popular because many ppl don't know how to adapt to it and even those who do are at a disadvantage in some spots where a shorty squeeze vs two 100bb effective regs. So you definitely have a mathematical edge on full stack regs.

      On the other hand it sucks for you because you don't cover the fish and can't stack them.
    • serverm07
      serverm07
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      Because you can train a monkey to SS. Luckily 99% of ssers are all more retarded than monkeys and suck.
    • serverm07
      serverm07
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Originally posted by PSBallin
      it hurts both your value and it tends to hurt other people at the table.
      This makes no sense. If it hurts other ppl at the table then it doesnt hurt your value. If something is bad for them this means its good for your not vice versa.

      And its so popular because many ppl don't know how to adapt to it and even those who do are at a disadvantage in some spots where a shorty squeeze vs two 100bb effective regs. So you definitely have a mathematical edge on full stack regs.

      On the other hand it sucks for you because you don't cover the fish and can't stack them.
      IT does make sense. If you have a short stacker to your left then you have to adjust your range for opening, calling etc.
    • MatejM47
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Originally posted by PSBallin
      it hurts both your value and it tends to hurt other people at the table.
      This makes no sense. If it hurts other ppl at the table then it doesnt hurt your value. If something is bad for them this means its good for your not vice versa.

      And its so popular because many ppl don't know how to adapt to it and even those who do are at a disadvantage in some spots where a shorty squeeze vs two 100bb effective regs. So you definitely have a mathematical edge on full stack regs.

      On the other hand it sucks for you because you don't cover the fish and can't stack them.
      IT does make sense. If you have a short stacker to your left then you have to adjust your range for opening, calling etc.
      Not just your range, also your open sizings. You should pretty much never open to 3x from any position with a bunch of shorties behind since its super easy to abuse that 40bb deep. You also have to adjust your sizings for 3bets, squeezes post flop raising, sizings in 3 bet pots and a ton of other spots where a lot of 100bb regs have no basic understanding of math behind 40bb play and have even basic betsizing leaks.
    • serverm07
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Originally posted by PSBallin
      it hurts both your value and it tends to hurt other people at the table.
      This makes no sense. If it hurts other ppl at the table then it doesnt hurt your value. If something is bad for them this means its good for your not vice versa.

      And its so popular because many ppl don't know how to adapt to it and even those who do are at a disadvantage in some spots where a shorty squeeze vs two 100bb effective regs. So you definitely have a mathematical edge on full stack regs.

      On the other hand it sucks for you because you don't cover the fish and can't stack them.
      IT does make sense. If you have a short stacker to your left then you have to adjust your range for opening, calling etc.
      Not just your range, also your open sizings. You should pretty much never open to 3x from any position with a bunch of shorties behind since its super easy to abuse that 40bb deep. You also have to adjust your sizings for 3bets, squeezes post flop raising, sizings in 3 bet pots and a ton of other spots where a lot of 100bb regs have no basic understanding of math behind 40bb play and have even basic betsizing leaks.
      Oh I misunderstood your post then cus I thought you were disagreeing with me. But yea that's why I said etc. Assumed this is a I hate short stackers thread and not how to play vs short stackers :f_cool:
    • coreynz
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      was really just wondering what happened to the minimum buy in tables they dont seem to happen anymore? four of five short stakes per table is ridiculous not sure if they really are SS players or just do not really have the money to play because they dont stick to it very well....
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by coreynz
      what happened to min buy in tables to get rid of short stackers ?its back to four a table at nl25 on stars cant even find any tables worth playing at certain times?
      Just because a person has a 40BB stack, doesn't necessarily mean that they are playing a SS strategy.

      In fact, if there are more than 3 at the table, you can be certain that some of them don't know what they are doing.
      From the article What is the Short Stack Strategy?:
      "Tip: Watch out for other players using the short stack strategy. Too many short-stackers will reduce your profit-potential at that table. Don't play if there are more than 2 other short-stackers at the table."

      In order to get a short stacker's money, you have to know how they are playing.

      It is tough, because they can bluff you, but it is tough the other way around.
      Also, you cannot play marginal hands against them, because the implied odd aren't there.

      However since most players with short stacks are just plain bad (how do you think their stack got so short?) just play your normal game against them, and be happy that when they DO win, they don't win much.
    • mccol001
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      Originally posted by Knyght
      Because it's easy to play and difficult to beat.
      ^ This.
    • Festfingre
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      Originally posted by coreynz
      what happened to min buy in tables to get rid of short stackers ?its back to four a table at nl25 on stars cant even find any tables worth playing at certain times?

      I feel the same way, they are a bit annoying.

      Maybe it would be a good idea to read up on SSS just to know
      more about how to beat them, or atleast when to stay out.
    • coreynz
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      yeah i have looked at the SS strategy i dont mind playing against them but when u cant find a table with less than four of them its pretty annoying