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    • Dracsharp
      Dracsharp
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      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
      SB ($8.64)
      Hero ($6.19)
      UTG ($3.40)
      CO ($5)
      BTN ($5)

      Dealt to Hero 8:diamond: 8:heart:

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.10

      FLOP ($0.32) K:club: 2:club: 8:spade:

      Hero checks, BTN checks

      TURN ($0.32) K:club: 2:club: 8:spade: A:club:

      Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

      RIVER ($0.84) K:club: 2:club: 8:spade: A:club: 5:diamond:

      Hero bets $0.64, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.96

      BTN shows 6:club: 5:club:
      (Pre 21%, Flop 27.4%, Turn 77.3%)

      Hero shows 8:diamond: 8:heart:
      (Pre 79%, Flop 72.6%, Turn 22.7%)

      BTN wins $3.78

  • 7 replies
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,297
      Hey Dracsharp,

      This hand was fine apart from the river call. People very rarely bluff raise the river at these stakes. You will be up against a flush the overwhelming majority of the time.
    • Ferueda
      Ferueda
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      Joined: 15.01.2012 Posts: 213
      Isnt better preflop maybe 3bet? With that hand?
      I think calling here for set mining is a mistake, rarely hes going to go all in here.
      And if we are calling we are oop so isnt really good.
      So i think we should 3bet std here or am i wrong?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Ferueda
      Isnt better preflop maybe 3bet? With that hand?
      I think you are ok flat-calling with 88. If you had 22-66 and open-raiser had a high fold to 3bet you could think about 3betting as a bluff.
    • Ferueda
      Ferueda
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      And whats the plan for calling?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Ferueda
      And whats the plan for calling?
      Depends on villain and the flop texture. Assuming you miss your set, against villains with a high cbet% you will want to float OOP on dry boards and see what happens on the turn.

      On bad boards with multiple overcards or against villains who rarely cbet you can c/f.

      Being OOP here with a PP is not the greatest situation. 3betting 88 pf will likely cause you even worse problems though. The hand is too strong to fold however, so it will usually go into the flat call pf category.
    • Ferueda
      Ferueda
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      So in this situation, we are 3betting TT+?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Ferueda
      So in this situation, we are 3betting TT+?
      That might be a reasonable starting point for a value 3betting range.

      The important stat to consider is "fold to 3bet". The lower this statistic is, the wider you can value bet. TT is a good value 3bet against players with a lower Fold to 3bet. Against someone who folds 80% or so to 3bets it might be better to flat. (Look at ATS stat also)

      Against this guy with 63% Ft3bet I might still be inclined to flat a decent amount rather than 3bet.