[NL2-NL10] [NL5 SH] Calling 3B OOP?

    • Th334
      Th334
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      Hero (CO): $8.31 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19547
      BTN: $8.49 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 5.6, Hands: 166
      SB: $5.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 94
      BB: $5.05 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 1.2, Hands: 128
      UTG: $2.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 79

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with Q :club: J :club:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.77) 8 :heart: 3 :club: 6 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.05, Hero folds

      Is it always a 4bet/fold spot? Given that we have no blockers, and the guy doesn't seem to 3B all that often, is it better to fold?
  • 8 replies
    • Dracsharp
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      Q and J are blockers too just less valuable ones, i would fold pre. He seems aggro and his 3b range is either loose value or half bluff half value.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      I think calling is by far the best play. He makes it slightly more than a min, and we have decent pair value, as well as some straight and flush potential.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      I think calling is by far the best play. He makes it slightly more than a min, and we have decent pair value, as well as some straight and flush potential.
      Oh, true.

      mbml, we could not call anymore against a standard 45-50c raise, so we would fold, right?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Vs a larger 3bet, 4betting or folding becomes more appealing because

      1) we get worse odds to call
      2) he puts up more dead money to steal.

      With that said, suited broadways are pretty much the best category of hands to call 3bets with. They have very good postflop playability, being able to make
      a. High pairs
      b. Straights
      c. Flushes

      So i would just say that it depends on the 3better's range. If he 3bets really wide, like 10% for example, i would still call QJs for sure. Against this guy with 5% overall 3bet range, I think it is probably more of a fold.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Nice, thanks.

      Yeah, with JQs we flop something playable like 40-50% of the time! (depending on whether our pair is a good one).

      So with this in mind, our plan postflop by default is fit/fold, when we call 3bets OOP, right?
    • mbml
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      I'm not sure what you mean by fit or fold. I'm not folding gutshots, but generally when someone 3bets smaller you can afford to fight for fewer pots since your odds are better.

      I could still see myself floating on some boards like TXX with a backdoor flush draw vs looser opponents but when this guy is so tight i prefer just c/f mostly and perhaps c/c Flop with a gutshot or pair or flush draw at the very least.
    • Dracsharp
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      How about his aggression, i agree we have good odds and a good card but it seems he will be going broke postflop and nor q or j hit will be enough, and if we hit our draw we will have 33% or 50%eq with a combo one. I rather have a pocket here.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      pockets are good for set mining but they have very poor postflop playability

      and no one said u had to go broke everytime you hit something. You can fold your top pair to a 2nd or 3rd bet