[NL2-NL10] [NL5 SH] AKs value 5bet?

    • Th334
      Th334
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      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2061184
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      Hero (SB): $6.37 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19547
      BB: $7.76 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 45
      UTG: $9.68 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 10, 3B: 7, AF: 1.1, Hands: 39
      MP: $5.53 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 75
      CO: $5.00 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 1.2, Hands: 128
      BTN: $5.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 17

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A :club: K :club:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.55, BB raises to $1.55, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.37, BB calls $4.82

      I assumed that because of my loose 3B range from SB (which is the same as from BU, 8%), attentive BB might 4B me not only with KK+, but also with weaker hands or even bluffs.

      Thus I 5bet here.

      If it doesn't make sense at all on NL5, would it at least make sense against regs on higher limits?

      TY
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    • Dracsharp
      Dracsharp
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      He either has to go broke with AQ too or fold about 16% of the time after your 5bet shove.

      I would play the same.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Hi German,

      Considering the positions we are in and our aggressive image this is an ok spot to go with the hand (with shoving not calling).

      It's true that at the lower limits people don't pay a lot of attention and they may be scared to cold 4-bet as a bluff or with weaker hands. We can also add the larger 4-bet and the slighter deeper stacks and our shove becomes a lot closer.

      As Dracsharp pointed out we do need FE or him stacking off light to be profitable here.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Thanks guys.

      Is there a faster way of getting pfold=16% than solving the EV equation?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Th334
      Thanks guys.

      Is there a faster way of getting pfold=16% than solving the EV equation?
      Not really no.

      You need to know how much equity you have vs a range and do the math.

      A few exercises will do the trick and it's actually higher than 16% given our stack sizes.

      Try to run the exercise and see what you get :)
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Hi Bogdan,

      What exercises and why is it higher? I got even lower (15%).

      What I did, I was looking for pfold in:

      EV = pfold x pot + (1-pfold) x (eq. x (pot + his call) - (1-eq.) x my raise)

      Where,

      EV=0,
      Pot is the amount of money already in the pot (before my all-in raise)
      Eq. is my equity against his range (QQ+,AK)
      His call is the amount of money he still needs to put in the pot after my all-in.
      My raise is how much more money I put in the pot to go all-in.

      Did I make it right, and how will "a few exercises do the trick"? Do the trick to estimate it during the game? :f_eek:

      TY
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Th334
      Hi Bogdan,

      What exercises and why is it higher? I got even lower (15%).

      What I did, I was looking for pfold in:

      EV = pfold x pot + (1-pfold) x (eq. x (pot + his call) - (1-eq.) x my raise)

      Where,

      EV=0,
      Pot is the amount of money already in the pot (before my all-in raise)
      Eq. is my equity against his range (QQ+,AK)
      His call is the amount of money he still needs to put in the pot after my all-in.
      My raise is how much more money I put in the pot to go all-in.

      Did I make it right, and how will "a few exercises do the trick"? Do the trick to estimate it during the game? :f_eek:

      TY
      Yes, running a few examples will get you to see some patterns.

      The formula I use is the following:

      Assuming 0 FE -
      How much do I win? $7.07 * 0.4190 = $2.96233
      How much do I lose? $5.82 * 0.5810 = $3.38142
      X = $2.96233 - $3.38142 = -$0.41909

      FE needed : 0.41909 / (0.41909 + 2.25) = 0.41909 / 2.66909 = 15.7%

      When I said you need more I was thinking about using a tighter range for him for this limit. But if you use the standard QQ+,AK you do get 16%.
    • Th334
      Th334
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      Great, I knew you have an easier way :)

      Thanks.