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[NL2-NL10] [NL5 SH] TT bluff

    • Th334
      Th334
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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      BB: $12.35 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32
      UTG: $7.17 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 19, 3B: 13, AF: 5.5, Hands: 63 -- CB: 67
      MP: $5.97 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 17, AF: 1.3, Hands: 70
      Hero (CO): $5.36 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 20611
      BTN: $6.86 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 70
      SB: $4.95 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 20, AF: 1.0, Hands: 16

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T :diamond: T :club:
      UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

      Flop: ($0.37) Q :spade: 5 :club: 6 :club: (2 players)
      UTG bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

      Turn: ($1.07) J :club: (2 players)
      UTG bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, UTG folds

      When I looked back at this hand, I felt more like raising the flop. The reason for a raise is that we probably have the best hand now, but it can easily become a trash hand on further streets.

      As palyed, the raise is fine?
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey German,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: Flop call is fine. If we raise we turn our hand into a bluff. Very little worse calls (most draws have decent odds versus us) and nothing better really folds. So raising doesn't make a lot of sense.

      On the turn his range looks like a weak draw or a scared hand so raising does make sense. If he has a weak Ac/Kc draw we can get value out of it (as long as it's not AJ/AQ) and if it's a weak made hand like Jx or even Qx he will fold.
    • dienaszaglis
      dienaszaglis
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.06.2008 Posts: 999
      Hello!


      Would it still be best to call, even if flop were rainbow (e.g.)?
      I assume, yes, because we still have some showdown value. In most cases villain would give up on the turn anyway.

      What if we had 44 or A-high + backdoor FD on a rainbow board? I think VS straight forward player raising the flop should be profitable. Assuming he opens wide enough from UTG.

      Also a lot depends on villains tendencies on the turn.
    • Th334
      Th334
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.11.2012 Posts: 971
      Hey,

      If it doesn't make sense to raise on a two-tone board, then it definitely doesn't get better on a rainbow board (even less weaker that we hope will call).

      The hands you listed look like better bluff hands, as for me. Why would you want to raise a straightforward player on this board though? I prefer raising guy that CB a lot, but I try to make it on the boards where we can represent something, and have a lot of turn cards to continue. Q56r is not good to represent anything, and we cannot actually continue on many turns :)
    • dienaszaglis
      dienaszaglis
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.06.2008 Posts: 999
      If it doesn't make sense to raise on a two-tone board, then it definitely doesn't get better on a rainbow board (even less weaker that we hope will call).


      On a rainbow board villain is hitting less flops, so by raising his C-bet, we can easily fold out his air. For that we don`t need to represent much anyway.

      Of course, added equity always is nice. But we can always give up and not barrel the turn, if we think we don`t have enough FE.

      However, this actually is not the best example for raising a CB. For that, we should know, that he opens wide enough and C-bets a lot.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Hello!


      Would it still be best to call, even if flop were rainbow (e.g.)?
      I assume, yes, because we still have some showdown value. In most cases villain would give up on the turn anyway.

      What if we had 44 or A-high + backdoor FD on a rainbow board? I think VS straight forward player raising the flop should be profitable. Assuming he opens wide enough from UTG.

      Also a lot depends on villains tendencies on the turn.
      Considering his small bet we really don't want him to A) draw cheaply, B) get to showdown with a better hand like Jx or weak Qx.

      So the raise can get value in case A) or bluff in case B)