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SNG Question - 180man

    • PokerPPP
      PokerPPP
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      Joined: 29.10.2009 Posts: 494
      Hey guys,

      What is a good ROI and ITM% for the following?

      2.50 - 180man turbo on Pokerstars -most importantly this one as this is the one I play most

      1.50 45man turbo

      I know ITM doesn't really matter that much as I can be eliminated 5 times between 10th & 18th place and I will earn less cash than, for example, if I bust out early in 4 tournaments and finish, say, 3rd in the 5th. However, I am still interested in this statistic as well.


      Thank you! :heart:
  • 11 replies
    • PokerPPP
      PokerPPP
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      Is my question that stupid ? Come on guys at least give a direction to where I can find the answer myself..

      Thanks
    • abhi147
      abhi147
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      Joined: 12.08.2011 Posts: 935
      any +ROI is good :P

      But generally if youre good you can beat them at 25-35%
    • PokerPPP
      PokerPPP
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      Thanks for taking time to reply, I appreciate it. Please confirm that you are reffering to ROI. My current ROI is 50% and ITM 15% , however sample is only 60 tourneys. So I take it that is ok ?
    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 9,181
      Hi PokerPPP

      Your thread was recently moved to the tournament strategy forum since MTSNG's with more then 30 players are considered MTT's.

      A normal ROI for 2,5$ 180men should be around 30%. If you play fewer tables 40% or more might be possible. Regarding ITM there is nothing like a "standard" I guess.

      Your results seem alright obviously. Be aware, that 60 tournaments are by no means a sufficient sample size. At this point you can't even tell for sure if you are winning player long term.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • Woofex
      Woofex
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      Hi my 2.5$ 180man turbo's ROI % in like 5.5k games sample is 20.6% and ITM is 10.9%. :)
    • abhi147
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      Joined: 12.08.2011 Posts: 935
      Originally posted by PokerPPP
      Thanks for taking time to reply, I appreciate it. Please confirm that you are reffering to ROI. My current ROI is 50% and ITM 15% , however sample is only 60 tourneys. So I take it that is ok ?
      When i said 25-30% it is atleast over a sample of 1500+ games

      You can win the 1st game and your roi wil be 500
      Does not mean ur gonna be a long term winning player

      I am not criticizing you just informing you that you need a bigger sample to determine your ROI
    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 9,181
      Originally posted by Woofex
      Hi my 2.5$ 180man turbo's ROI % in like 5.5k games sample is 20.6% and ITM is 10.9%. :)
      Which is perfectly well if you play multiple tables :)
    • PokerPPP
      PokerPPP
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      Thanks everyone for helping. I realize that 60 tourneys is too little and that my stats is not reliable. So a winning player at these usually has 20% ++ ROI over a sample of say 1K games? Yes I am multitabling, playing 4-6 tourneys at once.
    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      Even 1k games are not a sufficient number to tell your exact ROI. In most cases it should be possible to tell if you are winning player or not though. I guess, a sufficient sample size starts at 5k games or more.

      Most players will multi table 15 tables +x. Playing 4 to 6 tables your ROI should be significantly higher then 20%. Still, your hourly will be worse then the hourly of masstabling players.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • abhi147
      abhi147
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      Originally posted by Asaban
      Even 1k games are not a sufficient number to tell your exact ROI. In most cases it should be possible to tell if you are winning player or not though. I guess, a sufficient sample size starts at 5k games or more.

      Most players will multi table 15 tables +x. Playing 4 to 6 tables your ROI should be significantly higher then 20%. Still, your hourly will be worse then the hourly of masstabling players.

      Regards,
      Asaban
      +1

      The key thing in SNGs is volume
      You play 300 games a month with 40% ROI
      And some one plays 2K games with 20% ROI

      You get my point?
    • Targetme
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      Joined: 04.05.2009 Posts: 1,888
      Ya I dont think telling people they can have >20 roi is fair. Pretty few players get 20% and they move up but its not that hard.