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[NL2-NL10] Turning made hand to a bluff on the river

    • Deomedes
      Joined: 12.11.2011 Posts: 156
      PartyGaming - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $5.11
      BB: $11.94
      UTG: $17.36
      Hero (MP): $23.47
      CO: $10.00
      BTN: $10.00

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:diamond: J:heart:

      UTG raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.80

      Flop: ($2.55, 2 players) 2:spade: Q:spade: K:spade:
      UTG checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($2.55, 2 players) 5:heart:
      UTG bets $1.21, Hero calls $1.21

      River: ($4.97, 2 players) 7:heart:
      UTG bets $1.10, Hero raises to $4.50, fold

      Hero wins $6.82

      Utg was a guy we had some aggressive history in two tables.

      In the beginning, i 3bet him twice and on relative dry boards he raised every cbet i made in both hands and i folded my air.

      And a third time he cold call me (in another table) and raised my cbet again, in a single raised pot that time with just a KJ on K74r (obviously taking advantage of the history we had since his is not getting called by worst on this flop).

      Anyhow i felt obliged ,in a way, to call him twice with A7. The board was ridiculously dry and he wasn't representing much. Think to note is that he did no bet river in that hand and he preferred to check back (rightfully i guess).

      In that table where i had position vs him i had 3bet 2 strong hands vs him and unfortunately he did not gave me any action in any of them.

      He did not 4bet ever ,even if we had history.

      His stats were VPIP/PFR/AFq/AF 20/15/49/4.9 in 350 hands.

      RFI 10% utg (maybe in reality wider since MP was 17% n CO 14%) and Ft3bet 71%.

      Preflop my thinking was that his range was pocket pair heavy from utg so i could do a bluff 3bet and try to take the pot with a cbet on the flop, since firstly he was going to call me lighter with his pocket pairs thinking he has implied odds with deep stacks and secondly he wasn't going to hit often.

      At the same time i thought my hand had blockers (not the best blockers vs a tight utg range ,i know , but still blockers) and that he is still folding an exploitable amount of the time, anyway.

      On the flop i hit a pair and i check it back trying to go to showdown with it since i beat the most part of his range. At the same time i could induce a bluff or get called lighter by As and 88-JJ on the turn.

      When he bets turn i cannot raise so i call.

      On the river he bets to me small and i see it as a blocking bet/ thin value bet.
      He would do that with some pp thinking that i can fold my flush draws or with AQ, KJ kind of hands which are on his utg range and beat me anyway. Sets were going to bet bigger.

      So i thought that if i raised i would have more chances of winning the pot since i could fold hands up to AK (sometimes) and easily represent a flush the way i played the hand.

      His WTSD was 21 just a note for his natural tendencies since we had dynamics and things are different.

      Sorry for the big post i made. But i was encouraged by video made by Bogdan to write all my thinking process. Hopefully pokerstrategy pays you enough for the job guys :D .
  • 2 replies
    • w34z3l
      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,332
      Hey Deomedes,

      Nice to see some detailed history.

      Originally posted by Deomedes
      And a third time he cold call me (in another table) and raised my cbet again, in a single raised pot that time with just a KJ on K74r (obviously taking advantage of the history we had since his is not getting called by worst on this flop).
      I think you are levelling yourself here. It seems far more likely your opponent is raising dry boards with top-pair because he doesn't understand game fundamentals. For him to take advantage of history like this would also imply he'd expect /you/ to understand what he was representing in certain spots. Dynamics like this rarely exist at the micros.

      One way you can respond to illogical aggression is to be aggressive back, and try 3bet bluffing hands like QJo vs UTG open. I don't think this is necessarily the best response. Against unmeasured aggression often the best response is to tighten up, and let him hang himself the next time he wants to raise dry boards with marginal holdings.

      Fighting bad aggressive players with aggression is a recipe for high variance. You will swing around and you will lose a lot to the rake. Also looking at the stack depth you would be /so/ much better bluffing with a hand like A5s which has great implieds rather than a dominated hand like JQo that suffers from reverse implieds.

      Fold preflop is my advice.

      As played - Flop check back is good, you have medium showdown vs an aggressive opponent.

      Turn - Your opponent can have 1 card flush-draws or just be hoping to take the pot down. Call is the best option.

      River - He rarely has a flush when he makes this size bet. It looks like a thin value bet with a Kx. It's not generally recommended you try and move your opponents off top-pair at the micros, but vs some players it will work. You might be able to achieve the same result with a smaller raise.
    • Deomedes
      Joined: 12.11.2011 Posts: 156
      Thnx for your reply i will try to use your opinion and re-read it so as to completely understand it.

      At the same time i think that writing your thinking process works better in hand evaluation forums even if it makes a wall of text sometimes.

      Thnx again for the reply.