[NL20-NL50] Zoom/speed Nl20 set vs river raise

    • elchipriota
      elchipriota
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      ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
      $20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, January 18, 02:07:30 ET 2013
      Table Speed Holdem 3 (Real Money)
      Seat 8 is the button

      Seat 3: Hero ( $29.82 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 24, 3B: 14, AF: 3,7, Hands: 18847

      Seat 6: Player6 ( $145.90 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1,4, Hands: 60


      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $19.80 (99 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $29.82 (149.1 bb)
      MP: $35.02 (175.1 bb)
      CO: $145.90 (729.5 bb)
      BTN: $7.50 (37.5 bb)
      SB: $9.71 (48.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
      Hero raises to $0.60, MP folds, CO calls $0.60, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

      Flop: ($2) 3 4 9 (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, SB folds

      Turn: ($4.40) 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, CO calls $2.20

      River: ($8.80) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.60, CO raises to $12, Hero calls $7.40

      Results:
      $32.80 pot ($1.64 rake)
      Final Board: 3 4 9 5 7
      Hero mucked 5 5 and won $31.16 ($15.16 net)
      CO showed 8 8 and lost (-$16 net)



      Is my turn bet ok or should I be making this a bit larger?

      Also given how the hand was played by the river I put him either to be a weak reg with an over pair or a set, A2,68,54, would give him the straight but I dont expect him to have than v often. At the end I was suprisingly proved wrong.

      Should I be shoving my stack or is calling there fine?
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Hi,

      Why do you cbet flop? How often they fold, since I assume you arent doing it for value since there are almost no real good cards for you, just improve your equity by a bit.

      When you catch your out on the turn, just bomb 3 streets for value, maybe not that river though.

      I would bet normal size and fold to a raise, maybe check/call if I expect him to turn a hand like 9x of spades or other non-pair spades into a bluff.
    • elchipriota
      elchipriota
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Hi,

      Why do you cbet flop? How often they fold, since I assume you arent doing it for value since there are almost no real good cards for you, just improve your equity by a bit.

      When you catch your out on the turn, just bomb 3 streets for value, maybe not that river though.

      I would bet normal size and fold to a raise, maybe check/call if I expect him to turn a hand like 9x of spades or other non-pair spades into a bluff.
      Thanks Emmanuel,

      I know the cbet on flop is bad,

      regarding the river wont I be missing a lot of value from two pairs, lower sets and overpairs if I just check to induce?

      Nick
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      It's really up to you to weigh his range.. Would 2pair not raise earlier? Only 2pair is 79s so 2 combos...

      I agree with the overpairs a bit.. there are 12 combos of those.. You'd nee him to have more flushdraw combos that ALSO bet so it's a stretch if you don't think he raises overpairs earlier. Same goes for flushes.. It's basically an estimate of what he'd be more likely to do: make a thin call with showdown value or bluff too many busted draws. He could have some A4, A3s hands that bluff as well since they have almost no showdown value... I usually like to have a hand strong enough to check/call sometimes here since I double barrel and check to give up sometimes in this spot but maybe a hand like QQ+ is strong enough to check/call and 55 is too strong to not bet...
    • elchipriota
      elchipriota
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      Thank you for the explanation, makes sense.

      Could you please explain how the 12 combos of over pairs you mention are broken down? TT to AA is ten and the combos I see are that each pair can have 6 combos. Or by over pairs you means 7s and 9s?

      I think I lost you somewhere there.


      Once more, thank you for the help.

      Nick
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      You open UTG and get a called..

      I excluded QQ+ so that means his overpairs are 6xTT and 6xJJ only imo.

      I don't think you can add KK+ at all, maybe some QQ combos...