[NL2-NL10] NL25, MP2, AKo

    • burek2000
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      0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.55 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:heart: , K:spade:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1,00, MP3 folds, CO calls $1,00, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($2,35) 8:spade: , J:diamond: , T:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,25, CO raises to $2,50, Hero raises to $4,25 (All-In), CO calls $1,75.

      Turn: ($10,85) K:heart:
      River: ($10,85) T:diamond:


      Final Pot: $10,85

      Did I have enough outs to play aggresively?
  • 9 replies
    • shloogy
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      depends on villain - what his min raise represents? if u have no idea that u cant play it either way
      1A played
      2:u could fold and reduce variance.(not if u where abs committed)
    • burek2000
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      The way I saw this hand, I had 2OCs and a gutshot which gives us 10 outs, probably not all are clean, but I think I can play this like a draw. Wrong approach?
    • DeKuip
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      First of all your flopbet is a bit low IMO.
      Something around $1.60 (2/3pot) also makes it easier to push after this minraise. I usually play these hands aggresively, but I'm still not sure if that's the best way to play.

      So I'd say nh, but would like to know what the judges say about this one. :)
    • burek2000
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      I usually make a contibet of slightly more than 1/2 potsize, because this way I make my contibets less expensive and I haven't seen any major diference in it's effect. And about pushing, I can push as easily as I could if I made a contibet of 2/3 potsize and a villain reraised me.

      But I do bet more in a multiway pots with a drawy board, then it makes sense.
    • shloogy
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      dont cbet vs mufti opponents when missed.
    • burek2000
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      Originally posted by shloogy
      dont cbet vs mufti opponents when missed.
      Sorry, I didn't express myself well in my last post...

      I was talking about betting more in a multiway pot when you have to play your hand as made hand(made hands and draws). So it makes sense to bet more for giving worse odds to the villains to make a call.

      ...there's no contibets in multiway pots when missed, agree on that.
    • xylere
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      mhh

      really want to shove here
      but ratio is a bit too big)

      so probably bet 2/3/ call

      but actually, i think shove is not the end of the world here))
    • burek2000
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      Originally posted by xylere
      mhh

      really want to shove here
      but ratio is a bit too big)

      so probably bet 2/3/ call

      but actually, i think shove is not the end of the world here))
      So, basically I should only bet more with my first bet(2/3) to decrease the ratio and call/push his reraise like I did in this hand with worse ratio?

      ...and another question, is shoving this only "not the end of the world" or is it actually good and profitable move? :P
      What I mean is, what gives the best results in the long term against unknown, so I know wether to shove or not next time I find myself in similar situation...
    • xylere
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      1st) you have 10 outs draw
      some outs can be discounted, but it is still a very strong draw, so we play it agressively

      2nd) Well, shove is definitely plus ev
      the question is what is more profitable shove or cbet 2/3/ call
      and its kinda hard to answer)
      with 1 - 1.5-1.7 ratio, shove is definitely your choice
      here its pretty much depends on his shove calling ranges/fe vs 3bet range