AK shove 4way

    • Rahica
      Rahica
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.06.2011 Posts: 149
      Hi ! I just want to share the stats with you before posting the hand:

      sb - 36 / 18

      bb - 44 / 11

      mp2 - 57 / 29



      IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $3 (60 bb)
      UTG: $5.96 (119.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $26.53 (530.6 bb)
      CO: $5 (100 bb)
      BTN: $1.01 (20.2 bb)
      SB: $0.72 (14.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
      UTG raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.72 and is all-in, BB raises to $3 and is all-in, UTG calls $2.90, Hero raises to $26.53 and is all-in, UTG calls $2.96 and is all-in

      Flop: ($15.64) 9 7 8 (4 players, 4 are all-in)
      Turn: ($15.64) 6 (4 players, 4 are all-in)
      River: ($15.64) 9 (4 players, 4 are all-in)

      Results:
      $15.64 pot ($0.78 rake)
      Final Board: 9 7 8 6 9
      BB showed 4 5 and won $9.24 ($6.24 net)
      UTG showed K K and won $5.62 (-$0.34 net)
      Hero mucked A K and lost (-$5.96 net)
      SB showed 3 3 and lost (-$0.72 net)



      After short stack shoved, bb shoved, MP2 chose the call which I saw as a sign of weakness. I was thinking I have him clearly dominated and even if I lose against the other players I can break even by winning against MP2.

      Thanks for your help !
  • 9 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      post in the hand evaluation forums next time
      "Hand Evaluations up to No Limit 0.05/0.10"

      You will get a faster response.

      About the hand, while I may fold if SB and BB were deep, they just seem like random fish. I also agree that MP's range could be somewhat wider and that he would be folding a good amount of the time with his mid pockets or AQ type of hand, and there's so much dead money in the pot

      Thanks.
    • spreeboy
      spreeboy
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.09.2010 Posts: 223
      Guys please correct me If I'm wrong, but I think UTG could ONLY call since previous player(s) is already all-in? If so, then your assessment that he is weak might be wrong. ?(
    • LedZayats
      LedZayats
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.05.2012 Posts: 67
      I think a call there from UTG is as strong as a shove, since I think he's committed anyway after calling off half of his stack. Maybe even stronger, since he probably wanted to entice you to come in by calling. But when I play I always interpret 2x open as random fish open, so I would have probably just put him on a random donk call and shoved too, since he's not too deep.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Anyway he is 57/29, I don't think I need to elaborate on this further :)
    • Rahica
      Rahica
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.06.2011 Posts: 149
      @spreeboy First of all, I hate to be the smart ass here but there is no UTG in SH ( 6 max ). :) . Second of all, everybody made valid raises so when his turn is coming he could shove without any problem. ( but because he is a fish, he doesn't know where the raise button is ).
    • spreeboy
      spreeboy
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.09.2010 Posts: 223
      OP mentioned UTG in his first post, so I just went ahead and thought that way, my bad...

      I thought his option is "CALL" only. Is it possible to open-raise and then re-raise an "ALL-IN"?
    • Rahica
      Rahica
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.06.2011 Posts: 149
      Yes, it's possible, as long as you were raised, not fake raised.

      E.g. NL200 You raise 6 and there is one guy who shoves for 8$. Now he has made what we call a fake raise. Everybody calls to you. Now you can't re raise because you were not actually raised at all ( as a proper raise online means 50%+ from the previous bet ) so that leaves you with 2 options: FOLD or CALL.

      Take care !
    • metza
      metza
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      Joined: 28.01.2012 Posts: 2,220
      Originally posted by Rahica
      @spreeboy First of all, I hate to be the smart ass here but there is no UTG in SH ( 6 max ).
      :facepalm:
    • dannywratten
      dannywratten
      Gold
      Joined: 11.05.2010 Posts: 1,462
      Originally posted by metza
      Originally posted by Rahica
      @spreeboy First of all, I hate to be the smart ass here but there is no UTG in SH ( 6 max ).
      :facepalm:
      Made my day :f_biggrin: