NL400 river with marginal hand

    • Itsnevereasy
      Itsnevereasy
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      Joined: 08.08.2010 Posts: 381
      Opponent is tough and competent reg who plays higher stakes.

      Would like to hear people's thought process, especially on the river. I considered check/folding, check/calling and bet/calling. Which one is best?

      Cake Poker $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2071273
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $357.20
      SB: $396.00
      BB: $719.34
      UTG: $178.43
      Hero (MP): $773.10
      CO: $404.00

      Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP with Q :spade: K :heart:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $12, CO calls $12, 3 folds

      Flop: ($30.00) 9 :spade: Q :diamond: T :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $20.00, CO calls $20

      Turn: ($70.00) 6 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $48.00, CO calls $48

      River: ($166.00) 4 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $110.00, CO raises to $324, Hero folds

      Final Pot: $386.00
      CO wins $383.00
      (Rake: $3.00)
  • 14 replies
    • gp00053
      gp00053
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 154
      For me I would need a lot more info than tough reg. Since the diamond and straight draws got there i would want to know his hand ranges, his pre and post flop play and how he views my play. if tough competent reg is all you have; as played i would check fold the river
    • Itsnevereasy
      Itsnevereasy
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      21/26 3bet:10 WTSD:26% over 593 hands

      What else do you want to know. I think its an easy check/fold after thinking about it. Meh :(
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      I'd c/f this as well. I don't really see what you want to get value from.
    • gp00053
      gp00053
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      Originally posted by Itsnevereasy
      21/26 3bet:10 WTSD:26% over 593 hands

      What else do you want to know. I think its an easy check/fold after thinking about it. Meh :(
      Like I said in my original post " i would want to know his hand ranges, his pre and post flop play stats and how I think he views my play." As played without that info I would check fold river.

      If "21/26 3bet:10 WTSD:26% over 593 hands" If that is all you have on him, as played I would check fold river.

      For me to play the way you did, I would need in addition to what you gave, I would need his Flop cbet and turn calling stats, as well as his river bet%, from the cutoff and his W$SD. I would adjust my flop, turn and river bets up or down based on the stats and how I think he views my play.

      If " 21/26 3bet:10 WTSD:26% over 593 hands" is all the stats you use, I would have bet bigger on the flop and check folded turn and river. Also I would have raised higher preflop with or "without 21/26 3bet:10 WTSD:26% over 593 hands".
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      definitely checking this river, and probably check/folding unless you think he turns everything into a bluff.
    • getdotacom
      getdotacom
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      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 607
      yeah, it's clear c/f on the river imo. Also u could take some other turn and flop lines with this hand. I like c/c right away on the flop with it because it's MP vs CO. Very unlikely he will call 3 streets with worse and he definitely has AQ in his range.
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
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      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      agree with previous posters, seems like a check/fold
    • Shevtshenko
      Shevtshenko
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      Originally posted by mbml
      definitely checking this river, and probably check/folding unless you think he turns everything into a bluff.
      I only took a glance at this but it seems like this would be a c/f even then.
    • booomm
      booomm
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      I can't understand why you bet the river ? what are you trying to accomplish ? you are basically turning your hand into a bluff, if so it is a clear fold.
      x/r turn might be an option if you think he is betting with weak draws/Qx/Tx. but I def don't like barreling 2 streets and c/c or c/f river, c/c is too marginal and speculative and c/f is too weak.
    • Itsnevereasy
      Itsnevereasy
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      Thanks for the feedback guys! It really does seem like an easy check/fold on the river now :s_cool:
    • BrokesoBroke
      BrokesoBroke
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      Don't worry... It's never easy... :P
    • pleno1
      pleno1
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      I kinda wanna bet/call, but ok as the majority rules, c/f is ok too.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,145
      what's the worst hand he's turning into bluff and why? i think AQ would beat more bluffs. also, is he bluffing without a blocker?
    • x3mwisp
      x3mwisp
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 3,604
      Originally posted by pleno1
      I kinda wanna bet/call, but ok as the majority rules, c/f is ok too.
      pleno and his crazy lines and his pfr higher than vpip :D