[NL20-NL50] 50fr KK SB

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $62.28 (124.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $81.24 (162.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $46.79 (93.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $52.30 (104.6 bb)
      MP1: $47 (94 bb)
      MP2: $64.53 (129.1 bb)
      MP3: $49.25 (98.5 bb)
      CO: $64.34 (128.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $6, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $15, BB calls $9

      Flop: ($30.50) Q 6 T (2 players)
      Hero bets $17.29, BB raises to $34.58, Hero raises to $35 and is all-in, BB calls $0.42

      Turn: ($100.50) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($100.50) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $100.50 pot ($3.00 rake)
      Final Board: Q 6 T Q J
      Hero showed K K and won $97.50 ($47.50 net)
      BB mucked 8 8 and lost (-$50 net)

      VPIP: 33, PFR: 21, 3B: 7, AF: 1,9, Hands: 127

      Do I ever find a fold here with that huge of a pot?
      I wasn't very happy tbh to go all-in as QQ and TT (and JJ) are what I believed his range to be.

      Against a giga passive player should I fold?
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      I think your 4bet sizing is way too large. Surely we want to have some sort of bluff 4bet range here? So I'll make it 12 or 13, depending on whether he is capable of calling or not. If he is always in a push or fold mode, then there's really no point in making such large 4bets.

      Remember that pot is already so huge, just because you iso-raised to 5BB and he made it 12bb. Therefore if you make it 2X, you are already committing 1/4 of your stack which is a lot.

      As played, your cbet size is also sub-optimal. Bet 10-12, and hope he stacks off with KQ AQ, or semi-bluff raises with some sort of straight draw. And you can never fold here as played., folding overpairs in 4bet pots is criminal
      Thanks.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      I think your 4bet sizing is way too large. Surely we want to have some sort of bluff 4bet range here? So I'll make it 12 or 13, depending on whether he is capable of calling or not. If he is always in a push or fold mode, then there's really no point in making such large 4bets.

      Remember that pot is already so huge, just because you iso-raised to 5BB and he made it 12bb. Therefore if you make it 2X, you are already committing 1/4 of your stack which is a lot.

      As played, your cbet size is also sub-optimal. Bet 10-12, and hope he stacks off with KQ AQ, or semi-bluff raises with some sort of straight draw. And you can never fold here as played., folding overpairs in 4bet pots is criminal
      Thanks.
      I don't think 4Bet bluff vs total fish works, I just assumed he'd have went all-in PF by feeling committed vs my big bet and not wanting to lay down. (or fold)
      But he found that crazy call.

      Why is it better to bet ~1/3 instead of just checking then?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      It's just a better bet-size as part of your entire game plan. Good odds to bluff, and we can easily get stacks in by the Turn or river anyway given that the pot is already so large.