[NL2-NL10] OK to call vs aggro Fish?

    • Greedyfly
      Greedyfly
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.04.2010 Posts: 213
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $4.00
      UTG1:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $10.15
      MP1:
      $9.28
      MP2:
      $4.25
      MP3:
      $7.00
      CO:
      $11.75
      BU (Hero):
      $10.00
      SB:
      $4.04


      Preflop: Hero is BU with Q, T.
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 6 folds, 5 folds, 4 folds, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds, MP1 gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $0.15.


      I folded this though given the 43/23 fish I am against who is 100BB deep is a call here justifiable?
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi greedyfly,

      What sample do we have on the villain?

      Our decision between fold, call and 3 bet will come down to how villain plays.

      For example how often does he bet, how aggressive is he, how often does he call 3 bets, etc.

      As a side note, once you post an answer please also select "the advice judge to take another look" button.
    • Greedyfly
      Greedyfly
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.04.2010 Posts: 213
      Smallish sample (50 hands or so) but villain doing some very odd things. Only thing that is standard is his bet sizing.

      Stats are 43/23 CB 83% going to showdown 20%


      Thanks for the heads up on the "advice judge" option too. Appreciate the help.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Greedyfly
      Smallish sample (50 hands or so) but villain doing some very odd things. Only thing that is standard is his bet sizing.

      Stats are 43/23 CB 83% going to showdown 20%


      Thanks for the heads up on the "advice judge" option too. Appreciate the help.
      The are a few reasons as to why we want to know more about villain however the main reason is the fact that we need to have a plan on how we play this postflop when:

      1) we hit a pair (TP or 2nd pair)
      2) hit a draw (FD or OESD)
      3) hit nothing (gutshot, overs, etc.)

      So for example in case 1, flop comes down Q83r how many streets do we call versus this fish? What if the board was J73tt with a flush draw?

      So when you do not have any information other than he does "weird" things that is bad for us because we have to play a bit more standard and our hand could be dominated easily by an EP/MP range. So as a default folding because your primary choice. 3-betting as thin value against unknown it's hard to justify and 3-bet bluffing a potential fish isn't advisable either so 3-bet as a whole goes out the window.

      So you are left with a choice between fold and call and I think that, without much info and only holding position and a speculative hand our fold is fine.

      If we are going with the assumption that he is an aggro fishy maniac player then we can call and call down when we hit a hand to allow him to bluff or bet worse.