[NL20-NL50] NL50 6max, JJ 4bet/call SB

    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB
      BB ($50.75)
      UTG ($28)
      MP ($95.75)
      Button ($240.55)
      Hero (SB) ($50)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J:heart: , J:club:
      3 folds, Hero bets $1.25, BB raises $4, Hero raises $10, BB raises $46.25 (All-In), Hero calls $38.50 (All-In)

      Flop: ($100) 10:spade: , A:club: , 2:diamond: (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: ($100) 5:diamond: (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: ($100) 5:spade: (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $100

      Villain:
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      I'll start with GTO theory:

      SB opening total [24.6%]:
      AA-22,AKo-A9o,KQo-KJo,QJo,JTo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K6s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s

      4betting total [6.94 %]:
      AA-JJ,AKo-AJo,KQo,AKs-ATs,KQs

      Value [3.02 %]:
      AA-JJ,AKo,AKs

      Explained:
      6.94/24.6 = 28% - 4bet from overall GO range
      I need to 4bet around 30% = unexploitable, since his 3bet has to work 66%. 8/12 = 66% He's still getting enough folds, but that's OK.
      3.02/6.94 = 43%
      Against 5bets I'd lose $, if I fold more than 60% = 91/(91+32)=

      Exploitative play (My actual play):

      I'm getting pretty many folds out of Villain.
      Actually from all player's pool I'm getting enough folds,
      to play profitable from SB while opening f.e. 70% of hands.

      Villain has to protect BB vs SB about 40% of time, if I SB opens to 3 bbs,
      SB can actually open f.e. 65% and fold everything to 3bet,
      even AA and it would still be +EV.

      In general: After a few hours playing this table
      my stats from stealing from SB would actually be close to
      65-85% [somewhat EQ for free-roll hands] because of mathematics
      (he has to defend 40%).

      Possible metagame:
      Villain can start 3betting a lot, then I have to adjust.

      After 100 hands at that exact session my stealing stats would be huge,
      so I can start to play ~25% and he won't notice even.

      Question:
      What do you think about adjustments?
      Ex. 1 - Open ~25% and use GTO strategy?
      Ex. 2 - Open ~25%, but 4bet/call wider value range like TT+, AQs+, AKo?
      Ex. 3 - Open even tighter like 15% and 4bet/call QQ+, AK?
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Hi.

      Forget about the GTO strategy for now. I'm not sure why you are opening with only a 25% range. When you open such a strong range, definitely open at least 3BB (people often open 3.5-4bb with this tight range).

      I doubt he actually calls and 3bets with the right frequency. I would definitely open wider vs this guy, his 3bet % isn't even that high.

      I don't get why you are 4betting the suited broadways. I think they are perfect for calling 3bets OOP with. I would perhaps 4bet the weaker broadways like KJo and ATo. KQo and AJo could be a call, AQ could be a call or a 4bet even but you need aggro dynamic and you should be 4betting this guy a lot with air too.

      I would 4bet so often that he is forced to 5bet jam lighter, then I would be able to profitably 4bet/broke with AQ and TT too.

      Thanks.
    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      Forget about the GTO strategy for now. I'm not sure why you are opening with only a 25% range. When you open such a strong range, definitely open at least 3BB (people often open 3.5-4bb with this tight range).

      I doubt he actually calls and 3bets with the right frequency. I would definitely open wider vs this guy, his 3bet % isn't even that high.

      I don't get why you are 4betting the suited broadways. I think they are perfect for calling 3bets OOP with. I would perhaps 4bet the weaker broadways like KJo and ATo. KQo and AJo could be a call, AQ could be a call or a 4bet even but you need aggro dynamic and you should be 4betting this guy a lot with air too.

      I would 4bet so often that he is forced to 5bet jam lighter, then I would be able to profitably 4bet/broke with AQ and TT too.

      Thanks.
      I'm actually not using that GTO, it is just an idea. Maybe I din't explain well. Sry.

      Thought, that you will actually suggest it.
      I'm opening a lot more.
      It's better to play that way.
      Didn't even notice my open 2.5 bbs, It's usually 3bbs. :)


      I 4bet or fold OOP mostly, because I'm not comfortable playing OOP
      in 3bet pot. I'm OOP and without initiative with no real plan post-flop.
      It's like I have to play x/r a lot on the flop, including minraises. Also as bluffs, f.e. Then, If OP's play back a lot then use it as value line?

      Is there any lines you'd suggest when calling OOP SBvBB?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Well, as the OOP caller you will have 3 main weapons
      1) Check/raise Flops as bluffs - Good to combat frequent cbetters who cbet even coordinated boards like T95ss
      2) OOP Floats - Good on high card boards, maybe you have KsQs and board is Js7h2c. You could c/c Flop and if he checks the Turn you bluff the River half pot to rep AJ.
      3) Stabbing Turn if he checks back Flop on boards which hit your range better (double broadway boards which hit your preflop calling range, or middle boards)

      Some people do use a donk-betting strategy too, but I personally don't.