[NL20-NL50] second pair call down

    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
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      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $32.64
      SB:
      $24.07
      BB:
      $26.50
      MP2:
      $52.67
      MP3:
      $25.00
      CO (Hero):
      $26.09


      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, J.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BU folds, SB calls $0.52, BB calls $0.37.

      Flop: ($1.86) Q, 4, J (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($1.86) K (3 players)
      SB bets $0.75, BB folds, Hero calls $0.75.

      River: ($3.36) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $3.00, Hero folds, SB gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $3.36.
      SB 2 vpip50
      BB 341 vpip19 pfr15 af4,2 wtsd16 w$SD50 fold to flop CB 60  
      fold was okey?
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Daisuke,

      Preflop: I'm assuming BU is really tight and thus our 2.5 raise from CO?

      Postflop: As played a bet on the flop is probably still best to try and take down the pot and if called we have a weak backdoor straight and 5 outs for 2p/trips. If we check we have to give up on this pot often (and betting can also get some thin value from draws).

      I would fold the turn directly as I doubt that villains bet on the turn is a bluff (given the amount) plus our hand is face up as being really weak (for not betting flop).
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Daisuke,

      Preflop: I'm assuming BU is really tight and thus our 2.5 raise from CO?

      Postflop: As played a bet on the flop is probably still best to try and take down the pot and if called we have a weak backdoor straight and 5 outs for 2p/trips. If we check we have to give up on this pot often (and betting can also get some thin value from draws).

      I would fold the turn directly as I doubt that villains bet on the turn is a bluff (given the amount) plus our hand is face up as being really weak (for not betting flop).

      I was always raising 2.5x from CO.
      and if there is fish on BB or SB or BU,I did it a bigger like $1.2
      but I dont know how much it should be against fish ir reraiser .


      so if my CB on the flop gets called,turn is check/fold?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by daisuke3823
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Daisuke,

      Preflop: I'm assuming BU is really tight and thus our 2.5 raise from CO?

      Postflop: As played a bet on the flop is probably still best to try and take down the pot and if called we have a weak backdoor straight and 5 outs for 2p/trips. If we check we have to give up on this pot often (and betting can also get some thin value from draws).

      I would fold the turn directly as I doubt that villains bet on the turn is a bluff (given the amount) plus our hand is face up as being really weak (for not betting flop).

      I was always raising 2.5x from CO.
      and if there is fish on BB or SB or BU,I did it a bigger like $1.2
      but I dont know how much it should be against fish ir reraiser .


      so if my CB on the flop gets called,turn is check/fold?
      Since we are IP we can check back but the best question to ask yourself is what calls us on that flop?

      What range do you see either of them calling?

      As far as PFR goes making it 2.5x from CO without a tight button or tight blinds will invite a lot of 3-bets/calls so that means our weaker range will be put under a lot more pressure.

      I'm also not sure what you mean by fishir reraiser. Do you mean if you have a fishy guy that 3-bets a lot?
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by daisuke3823
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Daisuke,

      Preflop: I'm assuming BU is really tight and thus our 2.5 raise from CO?

      Postflop: As played a bet on the flop is probably still best to try and take down the pot and if called we have a weak backdoor straight and 5 outs for 2p/trips. If we check we have to give up on this pot often (and betting can also get some thin value from draws).

      I would fold the turn directly as I doubt that villains bet on the turn is a bluff (given the amount) plus our hand is face up as being really weak (for not betting flop).

      I was always raising 2.5x from CO.
      and if there is fish on BB or SB or BU,I did it a bigger like $1.2
      but I dont know how much it should be against fish ir reraiser .


      so if my CB on the flop gets called,turn is check/fold?
      Since we are IP we can check back but the best question to ask yourself is what calls us on that flop?

      What range do you see either of them calling?

      As far as PFR goes making it 2.5x from CO without a tight button or tight blinds will invite a lot of 3-bets/calls so that means our weaker range will be put under a lot more pressure.

      I'm also not sure what you mean by fishir reraiser. Do you mean if you have a fishy guy that 3-bets a lot?
      hi thank you!
      and sorry I made a typo,

      I dont know how much it should be against fish or reraiser .
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by daisuke3823

      hi thank you!
      and sorry I made a typo,

      I dont know how much it should be against fish or reraiser .
      No worries.

      Against fish we usually have a stronger range than a pure stealing range that we would versus lets say 3 nits. So making it 3x would be fine.

      Against re-raiser we can keep it 2.5x so we can call more but we have to tighten up our ranges so we don't fold as often.