[NL2-NL10] co JJ

    • Imimba1
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      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2079557
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      BB: $19.65 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1,7, Hands: 71
      UTG: $11.29 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 21, 3B: 6, AF: 1,3, Hands: 56
      Hero (CO): $24.04 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 91850
      BTN: $26.49 - VPIP: 6, PFR: 3, 3B: 6, AF: 0,0, Hands: 35 my imagine is very wild:64 vpip, 29pfr from his POV
      SB: $20.96 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 1,0, Hands: 76

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J :heart: J :club:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $1.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($2.75) 9 :club: J :diamond: 8 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.00, Hero?
      I think I have to raise, because too many bad cards can come: 7, T, Q, and even A,K.
      Or can we just slowplay, and ch.r on the turn?
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    • CPallo
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      If he bets so big on that flop I could go for a raise here and shove all blank turn cards. He's not going to fold his hand here IMO, and his range consists mostly of QQ+ at this point.. Or then he is not thinking player and isolates himself with AK against your top-range :)
    • BogdanPS
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      Hi Imimba,

      Preflop: Given his huge 3-bet size the call is borderline profitable (from a set mine point of view). His range is almost always pure value and I'd imagine AK, QQ+ or so.

      Postflop: As played i wouldn't slowplay here this deep as we don't want action killer cards to come down.

      He 3-bet big, potted this flop so he clearly has a hand he likes so make it $8-$9 and go with it.
    • dienaszaglis
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      Hi!


      Bogdan, would you consider folding PRE with out more reads?
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Hi!


      Bogdan, would you consider folding PRE with out more reads?
      Yes, that's what I was implying with my comment about preflop.

      I think that calling is marginal at best.

      By rule of 20 he has to have $20 behind to make this a setmine call so it's close because he has around $22.7.
    • Imimba1
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      Well, the call20 applies, you say he has a strong range, so shouldnt this be an "easy" call? He has enough moeny behind, and he's representing a strong hand, which is exactly what is needed to setmine.
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Well, the call20 applies, you say he has a strong range, so shouldnt this be an "easy" call? He has enough moeny behind, and he's representing a strong hand, which is exactly what is needed to setmine.
      Easy call would be if he 3-bets to lets say 90c.

      We still invest $1 every time and assuming we fold every time we don't hit we lose $7 (70 BB) when not hitting. So if this was a 100-150 BB pot it's an easy fold. You can also add the fact that we will hit and still lose the full 250 BBs.

      The deeper we get the easier it becomes to call for set mine value alone. The problem is that a LOT of people have trouble letting go of their big pair when they have an overpair to the board, so we end up investing more and losing more on average.

      If you are disciplined and don't spew money postflop then your call is easier.
    • Imimba1
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      we are 250 bb deep.
      I agree with you, that even 150 bb deep this would be a pretty marginal call. I agree, that I'd likely overplay my overpair.

      But 250bb deep aswell?
      (sry if I misunderstand what you say)
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      we are 250 bb deep.
      I agree with you, that even 150 bb deep this would be a pretty marginal call. I agree, that I'd likely overplay my overpair.

      But 250bb deep aswell?
      (sry if I misunderstand what you say)
      Yes, by overplaying I don't mean that you will go in and spew 250 BB.

      But what would you do on a 9xx rainbow board? How many streets to do you call? How about a 642r?
    • Imimba1
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      +1
    • Imimba1
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      But if I call PURELY for set value (=folding on low boards 100% of the times), than it's clearly +ev, isnt it?
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      But if I call PURELY for set value (=folding on low boards 100% of the times), than it's clearly +ev, isnt it?
      Yes, if you do that and villain gives us the money with his strong overpairs when we hit (or gives us a good chunk of it).
    • Imimba1
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      +1