[NL2-NL10] NL5 DS - KK - BB vs SB 3-Bet pot - T+R? [01.29]

    • DavidDorky
      DavidDorky
      Platinum
      Joined: 18.07.2008 Posts: 5,537
      $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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      6 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG ($4.79) 96bb
      UTG+1 ($5.07) 101bb
      CO ($5.02) 100bb
      BTN ($4.71) 94bb
      SB ($12.88) 258bb
      DavidDorky (BB) ($12.50) 250bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) DavidDorky is BB K:club: K:heart:
      3 folds, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, DavidDorky raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25

      Flop: 9:heart: 3:club: Q:spade: ($0.90, 3 players)
      SB checks, DavidDorky bets $0.65, BTN folds, SB calls $0.65

      Turn: 3:heart: ($2.20, 2 players)
      SB checks, DavidDorky bets $1.60, SB raises to $3.45, DavidDorky calls $1.85

      River: 8:spade: ($9.10, 2 players)
      SB bets $8.48, DavidDorky calls $8.10

      Final Pot: $25.30
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      Villain: unknown, 1-tabler ~recreational player (>10 hands)

      What is your opinion about this hand?

      What is villains range on turn+river?

      What is the best solution and why?


      Thank you for the answers! :)
  • 6 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi David,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: On average, a fishy player taking the line of ck/call and ck/raise turn is almost always a strong play.

      I would say that his range is at least 2p (Q9), 3x, sets.

      Considering how deep we are I think that we should bet/fold the turn there against unknown because our 1p, in a 500 BB pot, is definitely overplayed.

      It's true that we beat Q9 but that's about it (from his value range) and we are putting in (including turn call) 200 BB on essentially a bluff catch.
    • DavidDorky
      DavidDorky
      Platinum
      Joined: 18.07.2008 Posts: 5,537
      I think that so many Qx is in villains range. What about this?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi davidDorky,

      this passive player never takes this line with QX. He would have either called the turn again, or raised the flop. It's just a classic fish mentality. He wants you to put in as much money as possible before raising the turn with his nutted hands.

      Read up on Baluga Theorem for more info

      http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6605819&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

      Thanks
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi davidDorky,

      this passive player never takes this line with QX. He would have either called the turn again, or raised the flop. It's just a classic fish mentality. He wants you to put in as much money as possible before raising the turn with his nutted hands.

      Read up on Baluga Theorem for more info

      http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6605819&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

      Thanks
      +1

      As I mentioned in my first post you will rarely ever have fishy guys raising a Qx like this. If they want to raise their TP they do so on the flop rather than the turn.
    • DavidDorky
      DavidDorky
      Platinum
      Joined: 18.07.2008 Posts: 5,537
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi davidDorky,

      this passive player never takes this line with QX.


      Final Pot: $25.30
      SB shows
      Q:club: A:club:
      DavidDorky shows
      K:club: K:heart:

      DavidDorky wins $24.30 (net +$11.80)

      SB collects $0.76 (net -$12.12)
      BTN lost $0.30


      Never say never - mainly in poker?! :)
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by DavidDorky
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi davidDorky,

      this passive player never takes this line with QX.


      Final Pot: $25.30
      SB shows
      Q:club: A:club:
      DavidDorky shows
      K:club: K:heart:

      DavidDorky wins $24.30 (net +$11.80)

      SB collects $0.76 (net -$12.12)
      BTN lost $0.30


      Never say never - mainly in poker?! :)
      That's why I usually say rarely :)

      If he does this 2 out of 10 times we can profitably call there. It happens that they occasionally show up with Qx but it's the exception rather than the rule.