I feel frustrated, can't beat this game

    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      Title says it all, and I can't beat NL5. I need help, I will post some stats from leakbuster - overall from HM2 and my graph for NL5. I'm not a total beginner, I have played 150 000 hands and can't beat it.



      Net won: -30.47 USD
      Total hands: 25 755
      bb/100: -2.37
      VPIP: 25.4
      PFR: 21.6
      PFR/VPIP ratio: 85.2
      3bet: 5.3
      vs 3bet Call%: 18.4
      4bet range: 2.91
      Sqz%: 4.59
      WTSD%: 23.6
      W$SD%: 46.4
      W$WSF: 48.0
      Agg: 4.93
      Agg%: 44.2
      Flop Agg%: 57.6
      Turn Agg%: 34.2
      River Agg%: 19.7
      Flop Cbet%: 87.0
      Flop Cbet success: 47.5
      Turn Cbet%: 46.4
      Flop fold vs cbet: 44.2
      Flop vs Raise fold%: 71.8
      Steal Pct: 45.9
      Early UO PFR: 13.5
      Middle UO PFR: 14.2
      Cutoff UO PFR: 40.7
      Button UO PFR: 56.8
      SB UO PFR: 39.6
      Preflop Positional Awareness: 4.21
      River call eficiency: 1.35
      SB reraise steal: 6.3
      BB reraise steal: 6.29
      SB fold to steal: 88.7
      BB fold to steal: 82.5
  • 50 replies
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,038
      You are running well above EV... So you are going broke in a lot of spots where you shouldn't and get lucky river cards. The reason probably why you "can't beat it" is because you play some spots not the way you probably should. Re-evaluate your line takings pre-flop and post-flop.
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      In fact I'm above EV because of lucky AA - KK confrontations and semi bluffing (they always call me). I read tons of stuff, tried it all, bluffing, not bluffing. I simply don't know if I should double barrel or not, float or not, I have no idea. This was supposed to be easy to beat, I need some directions.
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      I think this is a bit to loose if you are not perfectly convinced in your postflop game.

      VPIP: 25.4
      PFR: 21.6

      Ppl call a lot there and you will face really a lot of problems playing loose like that postflop.

      Try to tighten up a bit and so you will have easier decision postflop and you can play more for value than bluffing and do some scientific moves which we don't know if those are correctly played ar not.

      This is my advice which i know doesn't count much but still i hope it helps a bit
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      I'll need to steal a lot less blinds, the looseness comes from that.
    • zumpar
      zumpar
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      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 1,185
      huge gap between flop and turn cbets.....

      either make plans to barrel twice on most turns OOP or just give up the hand right away...

      otherwise your stats look pretty solid, so i think u make some big postflop mistakes regarding hand strength and bluffing wrong t/r cards maybe....
      either overvaluating hands or smthg... dunno
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      I usually just go all in postflop with at least two pair, maybe an overpair or a semibluff.
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Tighten up, if you can't beat nl5 you must be playing very poorly postflop so there's no point in playing loose because you aren't rly gaining advantage by doing that because you aren't going to be making better decisions than your opponents. (and if you are, those decisions prob won't be that much better to beat the rake)

      With tighter ranges decisions will become easier as well and once you get very comfortable with your decision making you can then begin opening up your game.

      Given your stats I'd say the spots where you could tighten up the most would be CO and SB as both will put you in awkward situations with loose ranges. Slightly tightening up UTG is ok too.

      Coldcall less preflop as well, instead 3bet or fold more (both IP and OOP) again, will make your life easier.

      There's really no need to complicate your life by putting yourself in many marginal situations, learn to walk before trying to run.

      You cbet a ton too, that leaves you with very weak checking ranges as well as bloats the pot with many weak hands.
    • Jafreiteris
      Jafreiteris
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      Joined: 21.05.2008 Posts: 283
      What poker material you have read/watched?
    • ProfitsofDoom
      ProfitsofDoom
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      Joined: 29.08.2012 Posts: 177
      Are you using the Leakbuster software, or just running the HM2 Leakbuster overall filter?

      i'm certainly no expert, but have used LB quite a bit. the few things i noticed about your stats were your W$SD is pretty low, which i think means you may be going too far with marginal hands, and probably should have folded earlier in the hand. and your river call efficiency should be a bit higher.

      your CO and Button UO PFR ranges are both a little bit high. so you maybe should tighten those up a little bit. Your c-bet and flop agg% are both probably too high. so maybe spend some time going over what flop textures and boards you should be c-betting on.

      so maybe just tighten things up a little bit.
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      I was just using the leakbuster overall filter. Played a little bit over 16k hands after I started the thread and this is my new graph. Still feel frustrated with the downswings (are they normal like that?)
      I'm 20/15 now

    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,038
      Yep it's normal. I don't think it's a downswing though, because you haven't shown any hands that "occur frequently" to you.
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      Playing against fish. He is 81/0 and this is one hand that I think I played poorly (I don't have much experience with deepstacked play)
      So, I play on Fulltilt and I don't table select

      Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $6.31 (126.2 bb)
      BB: $11.14 (222.8 bb)
      UTG: $10.36 (207.2 bb)
      MP: $5 (100 bb)
      CO: $7.12 (142.4 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $9.79 (195.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 7
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO folds, Hero calls $0.15, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.47) 9 9 2 (3 players)
      BB bets $0.05, MP folds, Hero calls $0.05

      Turn: ($0.57) T (2 players)
      BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40

      River: ($1.47) Q (2 players)
      BB bets $2.20, Hero raises to $9.14, BB calls $6.94

      Results:
      $19.75 pot ($1.31 rake)
      Final Board: 9 9 2 T Q
      BB showed Q 9 and won $18.44 ($8.65 net)
      Hero showed A 7 and lost (-$9.79 net)



      In this one villain is 30/22

      Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $9.06 (181.2 bb)
      BB: $5.37 (107.4 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $10.15 (203 bb)
      MP: $4.99 (99.8 bb)
      CO: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
      BTN: $5 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A J
      Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.45) 7 J T (3 players)
      SB bets $0.35, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35

      Turn: ($1.15) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

      River: ($2.95) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $2.10, Hero raises to $8.75 and is all-in, SB calls $5.56

      Results:
      $18.27 pot ($1.21 rake)
      Final Board: 7 J T 7 7
      SB showed T T and won $17.06 ($8.00 net)
      Hero showed A J and won $0.00 (-$9.06 net)
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      Against nit. I'm expecting AA or AK

      Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $6.34 (126.8 bb)
      SB: $5 (100 bb)
      BB: $10.17 (203.4 bb)
      UTG: $7.65 (153 bb)
      MP: $3.99 (79.8 bb)
      Hero (CO): $9.52 (190.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 6
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

      Flop: ($0.42) 5 K 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.33, BB raises to $0.66, Hero raises to $9.32 and is all-in, BB calls $8.66

      Turn: ($19.06) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($19.06) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $19.06 pot ($1.27 rake)
      Final Board: 5 K 6 A Q
      BB showed 6 6 and won $17.79 ($8.27 net)
      Hero showed 5 6 and lost (-$9.52 net)
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      Not to mention my nut full houses losing to quads.
    • ihatemicrostakes
      ihatemicrostakes
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      Joined: 15.01.2013 Posts: 18
      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Yep it's normal. I don't think it's a downswing though, because you haven't shown any hands that "occur frequently" to you.
      Do you think it's a downswing now? Or do you want me to post more hands?
    • ThatGuyMatt
      ThatGuyMatt
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      Joined: 03.12.2010 Posts: 3,758
      In your case I think it would be VERY beneficial to hire a a coach to do a Database review. You can get this for around $40-$60, maybe you could negotiate a cheaper price ;)

      You're probably thinking "That's expensive" but with the review I would expect that you would make back to costs in plugging some leaks + more.

      If you don't wish to do that, then start uploading hands for our Judges to evaluate, this will take longer but it'll also help you see where you're losing $. Don't just post hands you lost in, post hands you win too, just because you won/lost a pot doesn't mean you played it correctly or got the most value - post ANYTHING you're unsure about!

      Be sure to watch Coachings too, see what they do, how they play, think about what you would do and see if they do it, if they do it different, ask them why.

      Not beating a a stake is common, you can't expect to just walk in and beat it, you need to work hard, you need to better than the other players at that level.

      _____

      Edit - I also took out that last part in your post, I'm sure you know why ;)
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Originally posted by ihatemicrostakes
      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Yep it's normal. I don't think it's a downswing though, because you haven't shown any hands that "occur frequently" to you.
      Do you think it's a downswing now? Or do you want me to post more hands?
      You are definitely not on a downswing, every hand you showed here was played badly on so many lvls.
    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 913
      Hi there,

      IMHO the last hand shows a big leak.

      You must understand that your hand, on the river, is only top pair top kicker there.
      What possible hand do you think he has that is :
      1) worse than AJ; and
      2) that he calls your raise

      You just burning money there.
    • Skodljivec
      Skodljivec
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      Joined: 17.12.2011 Posts: 5,709
      Dude, how did you make 16k hands in a week? That's really bad imo for someone who can't beat a limit.

      Try rather to play something like 4 tables, and really focus on your decisions.

      Also, make the play/learn ratio something like 70/30