[NL2-NL10] T9s nl10sh

    • confidant91
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      hi,

      Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2088243
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      CO: $9.99 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 2,5, Hands: 86
      BTN: $14.28 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2,7, Hands: 244
      SB: $3.95 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 9
      BB: $4.35 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 12
      Hero (UTG): $10.99 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 3,8, Hands: 139982

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with T :diamond: 9 :diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65) Q :spade: Q :heart: J :diamond: (2 players)
      BB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $10.69, BB calls $3.05 all in

      Turn: ($8.75) 5 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: ($8.75) 8 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      flop: i shove here cause his play doesnt make sense so i want to make hi fold some pp or random bluffs plus we have oesd.
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    • CPallo
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      He seems to be a fish. Their play never makes too much sense. In this case I think he just got excited for his trips etc. and overbet there. You can't jam here, coz you don't have generally any fold equity and you might already be drawing dead, and I can say that you're not at least at lead.
    • BogdanPS
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      Hi Confidant,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: Do you expect to have FE versus his big donk?

      If not what's our equity like versus his range?
    • confidant91
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      i expected to have at least some FE :s_cry: . But if we dont and we hink that he has only made hands here than we are obv behind so we cant shove for value but i think that we cannot call here cause we dont have pot odds and implied odds. So fold is correct play here?
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by confidant91
      i expected to have at least some FE :s_cry: . But if we dont and we hink that he has only made hands here than we are obv behind so we cant shove for value but i think that we cannot call here cause we dont have pot odds and implied odds. So fold is correct play here?
      I tend not to not expect much FE versus fishy guys on this board given the bet size.

      It really depends on what range we think he calls with. We have some decent equity with OESD and backdoor flush given his stack and assuming 0 FE we still need 47% (before rake).

      What do you think our equity is versus his range?
    • confidant91
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      sorry for late response but during a game i put him on somethign like this:

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 64.71% 63.44% 1.27% 22+, AJs+, KTs+, Q9s+, AJo+, KTo+, QTo+
      MP3 35.29% 34.02% 1.27% Td9d

      so for call we need equity about 38% right? So with implied odds it shoudl be call.

      But probably he doesnt donk to big PP and draws so he might have more tight range :

      MP2 75.26% 74.95% 0.31% JJ+, AJs+, KJs+, Q9s+, AJo+, KQo, QTo+
      MP3 24.74% 24.43% 0.31% Td9d


      is it possbile to count how much do we need to win on turn to make our call profiteble on flop by this equation?

      pot after our call on flop :2,65
      our equity 0,25
      equity for EV=O is 0,38

      so we need to earn on turn: 2,65*0.38-2,65*0.25=0,34

      Is it ok or i am totaly wrong? : :f_biggrin:
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by confidant91
      sorry for late response but during a game i put him on somethign like this:

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 64.71% 63.44% 1.27% 22+, AJs+, KTs+, Q9s+, AJo+, KTo+, QTo+
      MP3 35.29% 34.02% 1.27% Td9d

      so for call we need equity about 38% right? So with implied odds it shoudl be call.

      But probably he doesnt donk to big PP and draws so he might have more tight range :

      MP2 75.26% 74.95% 0.31% JJ+, AJs+, KJs+, Q9s+, AJo+, KQo, QTo+
      MP3 24.74% 24.43% 0.31% Td9d


      is it possbile to count how much do we need to win on turn to make our call profiteble on flop by this equation?

      pot after our call on flop :2,65
      our equity 0,25
      equity for EV=O is 0,38

      so we need to earn on turn: 2,65*0.38-2,65*0.25=0,34

      Is it ok or i am totaly wrong? : :f_biggrin:
      Hi Confidant,

      How did you come up with the 38%?

      If we have 0 FE we need 47% equity before rake.
    • confidant91
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      it is equity that we need when we just call on flop? i counted it by 1/2.65...
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by confidant91
      it is equity that we need when we just call on flop? i counted it by 1/2.65...
      Oh yes, if we call the flop it is 1/2.65.

      I thought we were still talking about shoving and it's equity required with 0 FE.

      The equity that equilab gives you is for seeing both turn and river. If we call flop we are not guaranteed to see the river for free.

      So we can't say that we have 25% equity. So that part is wrong.

      We have to look at roughly how many outs we have, which is 8 (4 Kx, 4 8s). That gives us roughly 16% equity. We have a backdoor flush but I wouldn't count that because that involves us seeing potentially turn and river.

      So I would not look at calling there but rather simply folding.
    • confidant91
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      Thanks a lot. I was quite unsure about how to work with our equity here. Count it with outs was one of my thoughts.