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[NL2-NL10] NL10 77 PushPreFlop or Raise Accordingly

    • Gerv
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      I was rather confused when I made this play because 5 minutes before this hand, I raised to 6BB of a stack of 19BB on the same position with Pocket7 as well.

      My question regarding to Post-Flop action: Is it better to shove pre-flop as you are pot committed post-flop anyway if 1 Villains calls ? I think you got more FE pre-flop with your Sevens.

      HAND #1

      Party Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

      MP3: $3.44 (34.4 bb)
      Hero (CO): $1.85 (18.5 bb)
      BTN: $13.73 (137.3 bb)
      SB: $2 (20 bb)
      BB: $14.66 (146.6 bb)
      UTG+1: $8.73 (87.3 bb)
      UTG+2: $9.34 (93.4 bb)
      MP1: $4.42 (44.2 bb)
      MP2: $9.75 (97.5 bb)

      Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 7
      UTG+1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $1.85 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.85, 3 folds, MP3 calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.80) 9 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
      MP3 checks, BTN bets $1.70, MP3 calls $1.59 and is all-in

      Turn: ($8.98) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($8.98) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results (listed below in white, highlight to see): $8.98 pot ($0.44 rake)
      BTN showed As Ad (two pairs, Aces and Fours) and won $0.00 (-$3.44 net)
      MP3 showed Ah 4h (three of a kind, Fours) and won $8.54 ($5.10 net)
      Hero mucked 7d 7h (two pairs, Sevens and Fours) and lost (-$1.85 net)
  • 4 replies
    • shloogy
      Joined: 02.04.2008 Posts: 263
      if u want ot to play this hand than u have to raise 7bb, ur not yet commited unless u get a call, than the pot would be more than ur stack and u could easly go broke.

      presonally i dont like that play at all - shoving with 7's, and of course not shoving pre flop.


      1.raising with 7's: ur going to get called many times more than one cold caller, and u mos def not going to like the flop.but still u will have to push any flop.

      2.shoving all in with so many big blind is not profitable at all,especially with 7's.cuz 8's and 9's can easly limp from EP.

      plus, with so many bb ur only going to be called by a better hand.if u had like 10-15 than this is very profitable cuz many break even hands will call u and many tims u will take the blinds.risking almost 20bb is ev-.
    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      In this case I would prefer to raise regular 0.60 $, because this way you will most of the time be in position postflop and you can easily push if it is checked to you or just fold if someone bets and you don't have a made hand. And let's not forget that you'll also be winning the poster's blinds without even seeing the flop in the long term.

      However, the problem is when like in this case the only player behind you(BU) has a stronger hand then you. Then you will be forced to push postflop for the contibet and lose, but this shouldn't be the case too often. Or you can just avoid the contibet in this case if you don't have a made hand and play c/f. Another thing is that if BU in this case would play correctly he will reraise you preflop, so you can fold right away.
    • Gerv
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Shloogy, how do you play P7 & P8 regularly if I may ask?
      Because I interpret your post as if you are not playing P7 & P8 at all.
    • ysessa
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      Hi Gerv,

      I would fold the Hand preflop, since there is an utg limper to many players behind you to push and also sometimes utg is calling your push with a higher pocket. Raising is an option but has a high variance and a low ev. So folding is definitely not bad.

      Best Regards