[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL50 KK deep

    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      MP: $81.18 (162.4 bb)
      CO: $50 (100 bb)
      BTN: $39 (78 bb)
      Hero (SB): $89.50 (179 bb)
      BB: $50.13 (100.3 bb)
      UTG: $151.23 (302.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
      UTG raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, UTG calls $3.50

      Flop: ($10.50) T 8 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.50, UTG calls $5.50

      Turn: ($21.50) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $11.50, Hero folds


      Anon table.

      UTG played 33/23 after 150 hands, foldto3bet 56, AFq 36, wtsd 21 so far.

      Preflop bigger 3bet size?
      Board is a nightmare for my hand...
      After turn is getting even worse, is it OK to just ch/fold?
  • 4 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      Situation overall sucks postflop. I consider my hand a weak bluffcatcher here quite often unless I know my opponent is a bit more prone to call light and I either bet/fold for thin value or just check/call since he will vbet less than KK, underestimating my range strength.

      As played with the cbet line, I think you should make it bigger. It's a 3bet pot but stacks are deeper so 1/2 pot is not enough to leverage stacks anymore. SPR is closer to single raised pot so I would use that sizing here as well.

      On the turn it's quite clear imo, not much you can do unfortunately.
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Thanks, ch/calling could be a good alternative line, I didnt think about that.

      What do you think about preflop sizing? Would be reasonable to raise it up to even 6-6,5$, as we are quite deep, and so far he seems to be able to call 3bets, so it probably wouldnt narrow his calling range too much?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      I like raising a bit bigger when deep but 6.50 might be overdoing it.. it's 13bbs vs 3bb open, it's definitely a very big raise. It depends on what dynamic you want to create as well.. I usually think adding 1-2bb will be fine and also keeps the opportunity to put in extra bets because of stack depth... If you increase your sizing too much you basically play the same 'bets' but with way higher risks.
    • jules97
      jules97
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      Joined: 10.06.2012 Posts: 1,449
      Let's assume hes opening 20% from UTG

      22+,A9s+,A5s-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

      Let's assume he's going to call 35% verse your 3bet.

      JJ-66,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,AQo

      Let's give him this calling range on the flop of:

      JJ,99,AJs-ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s

      So yeah, not looking so good on the turn, nut hands to Tx hands are 65:35.
      Check/fold the turn looks pretty good.

      Flop looks fine to cbet, most turns too, just that J kind of fucked things up a bit.