[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH - TPGK in unraised pot

    • Tosh5457
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      $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
      5 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG or88 ($10.88)
      CO fiveto1 ($11.01)
      BTN alangee ($0.80)
      SB Morice30 ($15.36)
      BB Hero ($10.25)

      Pre-flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB
      [color:#B93238]or88 calls $0.10[/color], [color:#B93238]fiveto1 calls $0.10[/color], 1 fold, [color:#B93238]Morice30 calls $0.05[/color], Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.40, 4 players)
      [color:#272BA6]Morice30 bets $0.40[/color], [color:#272BA6]Hero raises to $1.60[/color], 2 folds, [color:#B93238]Morice30 calls $1.20[/color]

      Turn: ($3.60, 2 players)
      [color:#272BA6]Morice30 bets $1.80[/color], [color:#B93238]Hero calls $1.80[/color]

      River: ($7.20, 2 players)
      [color:#272BA6]Morice30 bets $3.60[/color], [color:#B93238]Hero calls $3.60[/color]

      Final Pot: $14.40

      The donkey's stats are: 57/7/1.1/33 with 16 hands

      On the flop I raise to protect against a flush draw. He keeps betting and I try to see the cheap showdown as possible.

      Should I fear a 3, overpair or a better kicker from this donkey?
  • 8 replies
    • PANDAmonium
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      ive been reading a few of ur posts now, and maybe its jus me but u seem to think everyone else in the hand is a donkey.

      this is probably not the best attitude to take if u are losing all these hands.
    • Tosh5457
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      Originally posted by PANDAmonium
      ive been reading a few of ur posts now, and maybe its jus me but u seem to think everyone else in the hand is a donkey.

      this is probably not the best attitude to take if u are losing all these hands.
      VPIP > 50 on NL10 = donkey
    • gggeorgio
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      16 hands just isn't enough of a sample size to make any kind of assumptions about a player I think. With this small a sample he could be a TAG for all you know (although its more unlikely on NL10), so I'd say this player is an unknown to you.

      As far as the hand goes, I think I'd do about the same until the river where I would let the hand go because it doesn't really look like he's bluffing. (He bet first to act in a 4 way pot, then fired on every street half pot size bets)...Not sure if this is the best though.
    • Tosh5457
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      To prove to you he was a donk, he had 84o :rolleyes:
    • brian997
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      Originally posted by gggeorgio
      16 hands just isn't enough of a sample size to make any kind of assumptions about a player I think. With this small a sample he could be a TAG for all you know (although its more unlikely on NL10), so I'd say this player is an unknown to you.
      I agree that you can't make a basis on someone when you only have 16 hands of data...


      Now to the other point... do you know what a donkey even is? Its someone who makes unexpected plays... You are thinking a donkey is anyone with a high VP$IP, so do you think Samhi Farha is a donkey? Take a look at sharkscope, it says he has a VP$IP of like 40% or similar. We normally call this player "loose" not a donk :P

      Please start to refer to the opponent as villian... get your lingo straight :P


      As to your play in the hand, he didn't have any reads on you, because you were BB... If I was the villian here, and had called with a middle pair, I would think you are trying to bluff me out of the pot with such a large raise. I would have just called the flop and reevaluted the turn..
      As played, I would have folded river.
    • Tosh5457
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      Players with VPIP > 50 on NL10 = donks

      Now on the hand, I couldnt call on the flop because I'd be giving odds for a FD to call, and there were 2 players behind me. i don't have pokerstove here, but against that player my equity is good I think.

      There's no point in fold the river imo, I have to decide if my TPGK is better than his hand on the flop. Turn and river were probably blanks, so if I called to the turn no way I'd be folding on the river. He's not bluffing here, he either has 3x, 8x or overpair so I think controling the pot is better than trying to create value.

      If he checked on the turn I'd probably have betted, because he could have semi-bluffed on the flop with FD.

      That's what I think, and I think my equity is better than his if he could do this with 8x.
    • Kaitz20
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      Since it is unraised pot and SB bet into 3 people I like to fold on the flop.
    • generals007
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Since it is unraised pot and SB bet into 3 people I like to fold on the flop.
      Yeah i'd fold too... Every better kicker beats you, every 3 does (which is not unlikely since noone raised pf) and every pocket pair >77 does ... which is more unlikely though, since again pf wasn't raised. Still he is betting into a lot of people and you don't even have the best kicker. Is a fold for me right there, a fold on the turn as played and a fold on the river as played.

      gen