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[NL20-NL50] NL50sh - Potcontrol vs value

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Would you go for value here 3way?

      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2092617
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      CO: $39.43 - VPIP: 52, PFR: 27, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 44
      BTN: $59.81 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.6, Hands: 228
      SB: $60.20 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1.4, Hands: 116
      BB: $32.91 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 55
      Hero (UTG): $50.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 605942
      MP: $79.77 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 2.1, Hands: 386

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q :club: Q :heart:
      Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($6.00) 9 :spade: J :heart: 4 :spade: (4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, CO folds, SB calls $4, BB calls $4

      Turn: ($18.00) 2 :spade: (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($18.00) 6 :club: (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8.50, SB calls $8.50, BB folds

      EDIT:
      I think my betsize is too low OTR.

      Extra Q: What if someone leads R?
  • 5 replies
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Hi,

      No I think checking back is fine. Chances are with 4 players on the flop one of them has a flushdraw or is reluctant to call Jx twice.

      As played sizing seems OK-ish, perhaps we can slightly bigger. We definitely don't want to make it so big that they have an excuse to fold Jx though.

      Oh and loosen up preflop. 17/15 is way too nitty for 6max.

      ifs
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by imfromsweden007
      Hi,

      No I think checking back is fine. Chances are with 4 players on the flop one of them has a flushdraw or is reluctant to call Jx twice.

      As played sizing seems OK-ish, perhaps we can slightly bigger. We definitely don't want to make it so big that they have an excuse to fold Jx though.

      Oh and loosen up preflop. 17/15 is way too nitty for 6max.

      ifs
      those stats aren't right. I don't know why they are displayed.

      I'm playing like 25/21 or something similar
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      nice :s_grin:
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,335
      Originally posted by imfromsweden007
      No I think checking back is fine. Chances are with 4 players on the flop one of them has a flushdraw or is reluctant to call Jx twice.
      Betting turn is thin I guess, but what do we gain with checking turn? BB seems like a station, so he could definitely call with Jx, especially with holding a .
      Plus the board could only get worse for us, so we could face pretty tough decision if someone bets on the river 3way, even if rivercard is a blank.

      All in all, wouldnt it be better to bet turn for thin value vs the fish, and for free showdown on the river if possible.
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      No I don't think so. I think river is not super tough for us, we can easily fold on a spade or a ajack, and even if the river is none of those cards we can still quite easily find a fold if either of them bets big into us. So we save value vs a flush. We also don't really lose that much value vs Jx, since it's very unlikely we'll get 3 streets from that anyway. Betting turn and checking back river gains roughly as much as checking back turn and betting the river. You could make a case for the fact that he might call Jx on the turn, but if the river is a spade he will fold, but at the same time we will save money the times he has Jx with a spade and gets there on the river. So all in all I feel like checking back turn and betting river has more advantages compared to betting turn.

      ifs