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[NL2-NL10] bb KK

    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2093577
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      SB: $5.00 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 27
      Hero (BB): $15.55 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 99513
      UTG: $4.40 - VPIP: 43, PFR: 4, 3B: 5, AF: 4,0, Hands: 49
      MP: $5.44 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 24, 3B: 0, AF: 7,0, Hands: 34
      CO: $6.41 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1,8, Hands: 152
      BTN: $9.54 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2,6, Hands: 302

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K :club: K :spade:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero?

      Cant really call now, can we?
  • 6 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Imimba,

      Preflop: If we were 150+ BB deep here we could talk about 4-bet /folding versus nitty CO.

      I think that we may have little value in a 4-bet here so calling becomes my preferred line and we get to keep the potentially fishier guy in.
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Imimba,

      Preflop: If we were 150+ BB deep here we could talk about 4-bet /folding versus nitty CO.

      I think that we may have little value in a 4-bet here so calling becomes my preferred line and we get to keep the potentially fishier guy in.
      150bb deep 4b/fold means, you assume we are gettinng called decent amount of times, dont we? Otherwise we could do it with 72 aswell.
      And why is it 4b%fold 150 deep, but here with 108 deep just a call?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Imimba,

      Preflop: If we were 150+ BB deep here we could talk about 4-bet /folding versus nitty CO.

      I think that we may have little value in a 4-bet here so calling becomes my preferred line and we get to keep the potentially fishier guy in.
      150bb deep 4b/fold means, you assume we are gettinng called decent amount of times, dont we? Otherwise we could do it with 72 aswell.
      And why is it 4b%fold 150 deep, but here with 108 deep just a call?
      That's of course the assumption. Deep players start to call AK/QQ/JJ type hands and shove mostly AA (the nitty guys anyway).

      Because we can't really 4-bet fold given our size here. Once we 4-bet we've committed a good chunk of the effective stack and this shallow (~100 BB) villain can stack off with worse.
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      +1
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      That's of course the assumption. Deep players start to call AK/QQ/JJ type hands and shove mostly AA (the nitty guys anyway).

      Because we can't really 4-bet fold given our size here. Once we 4-bet we've committed a good chunk of the effective stack and this shallow (~100 BB) villain can stack off with worse.
      1) Are you referring to CO?
      2)If he can stack off with worse, why dont we 4bet it?
      I understand, that in this situation calling is better as you have said, but this last sentence is just weird.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      That's of course the assumption. Deep players start to call AK/QQ/JJ type hands and shove mostly AA (the nitty guys anyway).

      Because we can't really 4-bet fold given our size here. Once we 4-bet we've committed a good chunk of the effective stack and this shallow (~100 BB) villain can stack off with worse.
      1) Are you referring to CO?
      2)If he can stack off with worse, why dont we 4bet it?
      I understand, that in this situation calling is better as you have said, but this last sentence is just weird.
      What I meant was that we cannot 4-bet fold KK because we can't expect him to only shove AA. He will occasionally have a worse hand, I would say enough for us to be able to call but not enough to be that much more +ev than a call.