[NL20-NL50] 50shz QJs BU

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      Hero (BTN): $71.79 (143.6 bb)
      SB: $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $25 (50 bb)
      UTG: $53.28 (106.6 bb)
      MP: $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $82.02 (164 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with J Q
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $3.49, BB folds, Hero calls $2.24

      Flop: ($7.48) K Q 4 (2 players)
      SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

      Turn: ($15.48) 5 (2 players)
      SB bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

      River: ($36.48) J (2 players)
      SB bets $19, Hero calls $19

      Results:
      $74.48 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: K Q 4 5 J
      Hero mucked J Q and lost (-$36.99 net)
      SB showed A T and won $71.48 ($34.49 net)

      VPIP: 25, PFR: 23, 3B: 16, AF: 3,2, Hands: 115
      Resteal: 20 (5)
      WTSD: 50 (16)
      AF in detail: 9 Flop, 4 Turn, 1 River.

      A MESS of a hand.
      I had many ideas on how to play and they all got entangled in a unmanageable knot, which led to disaster.
      Let me explain:

      PF I was undecided if 4Betting or calling. Picked call due to high playability of the hand.

      Flop: here comes the BAD. I really wanted to raise here, but somehow felt that he was so loose that I might be good with my Q, and he also might not be able to fold to a raise. So I was torn between trying to win the hand right now and avoid risk, or trying to get to a cheap showdown.

      Turn: basically same stuff. Pair + FD is huge but on turn I don't have that much equity anymore, and after he invested that much I don't think he's gonna fold. Also the fact that he 2nd barreled so high made me think of my Q not so good anymore.

      River: the asshole card comes. The combination of his huge WTSD, my twopair on river and the whole previous thought process sealed the deal of my failure and got me to call. Is AK or busted draw good to think of his range on river on this spot?
  • 7 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi,

      Your decision to call on every street is really standard.

      PF: 4bet would be terrible. His small 3bet size, along with your hand's playability, and his super wide 3bet range, makes this a clear call.

      Flop: Not folding with 2nd pair

      Turn: Not folding with the flush draw

      River: Not folding with 2 pair. He may occasionally overplay AK and AA too so I don't see how you can fold this.

      Nice hand.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi,

      Your decision to call on every street is really standard.

      PF: 4bet would be terrible. His small 3bet size, along with your hand's playability, and his super wide 3bet range, makes this a clear call.

      Flop: Not folding with 2nd pair

      Turn: Not folding with the flush draw

      River: Not folding with 2 pair. He may occasionally overplay AK and AA too so I don't see how you can fold this.

      Nice hand.
      :O so my mess was actually good. Ok.

      What about the possibility of raising flop?

      Also, I agree with you for PF, but what if we had something like suited connectors 45s to T9s

      Sorry for the continuous replies, am I annoying?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      "Sorry for the continuous replies, am I annoying? "

      Don't worry. We are paid for every post we make :)

      "What about the possibility of raising flop?"

      Ask yourself what does this actually achieve.

      "Also, I agree with you for PF, but what if we had something like suited connectors 45s to T9s"

      I am defending the larger connectors like 67s-T9s, and T8s 79s etc. But with the smaller 45s 43s I am probably folding, unless I felt the villain had significant leaks that I could exploit before I choose to defend such a wide range.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      "Sorry for the continuous replies, am I annoying? "

      Don't worry. We are paid for every post we make :)

      "What about the possibility of raising flop?"

      Ask yourself what does this actually achieve.

      "Also, I agree with you for PF, but what if we had something like suited connectors 45s to T9s"

      I am defending the larger connectors like 67s-T9s, and T8s 79s etc. But with the smaller 45s 43s I am probably folding, unless I felt the villain had significant leaks that I could exploit before I choose to defend such a wide range.
      Alright, got the raise point.

      For the PF thing, sorry but by defending do you mean 4Bet or call? Nooby question I know but I always forget which one of the 2 people mean.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Defend usually refers to passive actions (calling).
      Attack usually refers to aggressive actions (betting and raising)
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Defend usually refers to passive actions (calling).
      Attack usually refers to aggressive actions (betting and raising)
      hmm then what would you attack with? Only Value hands and air?
      Things would be quite the opposite if you were out of position right?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Yeah I 4bet with a polarized range. Hands that I am willing to stack off with (value) and some bluffs (air). No point 4betting hands that are in between and are strong enough to call here. Especially with such a playable hand like QJs.

      Suited broadways are almost always better to call with when you are up against a wide 3betting range.