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3bet pot 175bb deep river ranges

    • cadhucat
      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 1,263
      $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

      BTN: 112.54 BB
      SB: 109.59 BB
      Hero (BB): 175.58 BB
      UTG: 102.93 BB
      MP: 259.98 BB
      CO: 28.48 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has :X: :X:

      fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 7 BB

      Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade: J:heart: 3:club:
      Hero bets 14 BB, MP calls 14 BB

      Turn: (48.5 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
      Hero bets 25 BB, MP calls 25 BB

      River: (98.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
      Hero bets 61 BB

      Villain opens 14% in MP and calls 51% of 3bets (10% 4bet), 63% foldCB 3bet pot.

      What range of hands would you:
      Check/call (dont think it makes sense to have a check/calling range because villain cant have bluffs, but maybe we can slowplay AA)

      If villain's range on the river is something like:
      33, JJ, TT, KQ, AJ, ATs, AK-AQ, 8s9s, TJs, KJs, QJs

      How we decide what hand we want to make indifferent to call or to fold? What hands should we bluff to play "gto"?
  • 3 replies
    • getdotacom
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 608
      We can c/c all our Ax on the river. Even AK is too weak to valubet IMO, villain will call or raise with AQ, we beat only very few combos of that. Also check/shoving FH and maybe nutflush makes some sense since we can't stack him by making "standard" bet. Then definitely bet/calling all our flushes. Not sure do we have any AJ type hands in our range, but these should be bet/call as well IMO. I'd b/f only bluffs against solid player.
      And if we're talking about GTO here, villain definitely has a lot of bluffs OTR. He has to turn almost any hand into a bluff because he has a lot of 2p+ hands to valubet. He should check back only something like AQ.
    • Kruppe
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,145
      check whole range except bluffs :D raise only boats
      unless villain kind of sucks, then maybe we can bet some hands
    • cadhucat
      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 1,263
      Originally posted by getdotacom
      Then definitely bet/calling all our flushes. Not sure do we have any AJ type hands in our range, but these should be bet/call as well IMO.
      Im not familiar with this kind of spots, but I dont expect 95% of regs to have a bluffing range on the river. I dont even expect getting raised by flushes, KQ or AJ. In my eyes TT, KQ, flushes and AJ are all bluffcatchers if he shoves over my bet. But I may be wrong, as I said I dont have lots of experience with playing that deep.

      Im not even betting AJ nor KQ on the river, even if he calls every AK, AJo is hardly a valuebet. And he may fold AK on the flop (63% foldCB)

      Mesa: T:spade: J:heart: 3:club:  A:spade:  3:spade:
             Equity   Ganar  Empate
      MP3    51.72%  41.38%  10.34% { AJs, AJo }
      BB     48.28%  37.93%  10.34% { JdJs, JdJc, JsJc, TdTh, TdTc, ThTc, 3d3h, AKs, AJs, KsJs, QsJs, 9s8s, AKo, AJo }

      Its possible to solve a situation like this if we define the ranges and limit bet sizes to 2/3pot and all-in?